Hi! Following Ubuntu's dpkg+ext4 problems I wanted to see if btrfs would solve them all. And it nearly does! Now I wonder if the remaining 0.2 seconds window of exposing 0-size files could be closed too. I tested using two simple scripts (attached for reference) on kernel 2.6.34-rc7: - rentest creates files $i.tmp and renames to $i.cur, - owtest does the same but overwrites existing $i.cur files, letting them run for 30-50 seconds then resetting the virtual machine. The results for ext3 are as expected: 0-size files are never exposed as $i.cur, overwrites are atomic. ext4 overwrites are /almost/ atomic (I get one 0-size file in owtest), lots of 0-size files are exposed in rentest (30 seconds window). btrfs *nearly* does as well as ext3. Overwrites are atomic. The rentest exposes only a 0.2 seconds windows of 0-size $i.cur files, so that a "ls --full-time" after the crash looks like this (notice the time between 01281.cur and 01292.tmp, only 0.2 seconds): [...] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20 2010-05-17 17:06:25.812016407 +0200 01280.cur -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20 2010-05-17 17:06:25.835999490 +0200 01281.cur -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2010-05-17 17:06:25.868035485 +0200 01282.cur [...] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2010-05-17 17:06:26.080003626 +0200 01291.cur -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2010-05-17 17:06:26.108010083 +0200 01292.tmp Finally, xfs kills lots of existing files in owtest and exposes lots of 0-size files in rentest (both 40 seconds window). If anybody is interested, the bunch of trimmed "ls --full-time" output for all filesystems is attached. Thanks, Jakob