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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Make default invocation of block drivers safer
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:51:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C3F4A89.6040909@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C3F4101.8070005@redhat.com>

On 07/15/2010 12:10 PM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Am 15.07.2010 18:20, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
>    
>> I have another idea that I hope will solve the problem in a more
>> complete way.  The fundamental issue is that it's impossible to probe
>> raw images reliably.  We can probe qcow2, vmdk, etc but not raw.
>>
>> So, let's do the following: have raw_probe() always fail.  Probing
>> shouldn't be a heuristic, it should be an absolute.  We can't prove it's
>> a raw image, so we should always fail.
>>
>> To accomodate current use-cases with raw, let's introduce a new format
>> called "probed_raw".  probed_raw's semantics will be the following:
>>
>> The signature of a probed_raw will be ~{'QFI\xfb', 'VMDK', 'COWD',
>> 'OOOM', ...}.  If the signature is 'QRAW', then instead of reading the
>> first sector at offset 0, we read the first sector at offset LENGTH.  If
>> the signature is 'QRAW', LENGTH is computed by calculating FILE_SIZE - 512.
>>
>> For probed_raw, write requests to sector 0 are checked.  If the first
>> four bytes is an invalid probed_raw signature or QRAW, we write a QRAW
>> signature to file offset 0 and copy the first sector to the end of the
>> file redirecting reads and writes to the end of file.
>>
>> An approach like this has the following properties:
>>
>> 1) We can make the bdrv_probe check 100% reliable and return a boolean.
>> 2) In the cases where we known format=raw, none of this code is ever
>> invoked.
>> 3) probed_raw images usually look exactly like raw images in most cases
>> 4) In the degenerate cases, probe_raw images are still mountable in the
>> normal way.
>> 5) Even after the QRAW signature is applied, if the guest writes a valid
>> signature, we can truncate the file and make it appear as a normal raw
>> image.
>>
>> Christoph/Markus/Stefan, does this seem like a more reasonable approach?
>>      
> I hope I may answer even though you didn't ask me. ;-)
>    

Heh, you just seemed more agreeable to the overall concept but obviously 
I value your input :-)

> This qraw format you introduce is a weird thing, mainly because
> depending on a signature the first sectors moves to somewhere completely
> else.
>
> If we want to introduce something, that's _almost_ raw and that we can
> use by default, what about doing something similar to what statically
> sized VHD images look like: take a raw image and attach a footer?

I guess this could work provided that the image size was not a multiple 
of 512 and that all other image formats guaranteed that they were a 
multiple of 512 or they also had a footer.

Makes me a little nervous though because it's easy to confuse an image 
with a magic id and data at the end from an image with a special footer.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>   With
> this approach you should still be able to mount it in the host etc. We
> could automatically append this footer when opening a probed qraw image r/w.
>    

D

> Kevin
>    

  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-15 17:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-14 16:12 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Make default invocation of block drivers safer Anthony Liguori
2010-07-14 16:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-07-14 17:40   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-15  8:00     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-07-14 18:43 ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-14 18:50   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-15  9:20     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-07-15 12:35       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-15 15:19     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-07-15 16:20       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-15 17:10         ` Kevin Wolf
2010-07-15 17:51           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-07-16  7:30             ` Kevin Wolf
2010-07-16 12:55         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-07-16 13:00           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-07-16 16:06         ` Markus Armbruster
2010-07-16 16:16           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-16 16:24             ` Kevin Wolf
2010-07-14 18:53   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-14 18:54   ` Aurelien Jarno
2010-07-14 19:04     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-15  8:09   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-07-15  9:10     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-07-15 12:57       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-15 13:16         ` Kevin Wolf
2010-07-15 13:20         ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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