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From: Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz-hKgKHo2Ms0FWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Steve Wise <swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>,
	Sean Hefty <mshefty-+/W+9+QloQG75v1z/vFq2g@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-rdma <linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: sense remote hardware address change by rdma-cm applications
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:33:31 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C47053B.3000802@Voltaire.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C45E701.7030501-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>

Steve Wise wrote:
> The cxgb3/4 drivers do not set IFF_NOARP and rely on ND being done as
> part of connection setup.  The driver will initiate ND if there isn't a
> neigh entry available at the time the iwarp driver tries to send a SYN or SYN/ACK.  

okay, understood, thanks for clarifying this out.

> The cxgb* drivers actually reference the neigh and dst structs until the
> offload connection is gone.  Also if the the offloaded connection has
> problems transmitting (due to a L2 address change, for example), then
> the driver will initiate ND again by calling neigh_event_send().  See
> t4_l2t_send_event() in l2t.c which is called by the iwarp driver in
> peer_abort() from iwch_cm.c when the HW tells us its retransmitting too much.

In the general case of rdma-cm consumer, e.g IB RC based and/or UD unicast based, 
we don't have such feedback mechanism from the HW. As such, I would draw the line here around adopting into the rdma-cm the behavior of referencing the neigh and dst structures until the connection is gone (could you point on the func/path in drivers/net/cxgb3/l2t.c which does this? i wasn't sure).

> What doesn't happen is active positive feedback during the connection to
> avoid NUD.  IE once the connection is setup, nobody calls dst_confirm()
> It is only called during connection setup/teardown.

I think we can live with that, this is similar to the case of an app using UDP in uni-directional manner between host A --> B so the NUD part of the network stack @ host A has to issue timely probes to validate the L2 address of host B. The only difference is that we have the A --> B comm offloaded and eventually without keeping the ref the neighbour and dst are deleted, the proposed patch eliminates this deletion.

Or.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-21 14:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-19 21:42 sense remote hardware address change by rdma-cm applications Or Gerlitz
     [not found] ` <AANLkTimmWiNqHJIqSEKbY-X6mSx6zA19p__JDYPEmp8b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-20  0:14   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <20100720001436.GH7920-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-20  7:25       ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]         ` <4C454F80.1060808-hKgKHo2Ms0FWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-20 17:22           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2010-07-20 18:12           ` Steve Wise
     [not found]             ` <4C45E701.7030501-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-20 18:46               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20100720184620.GJ7920-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-20 19:20                   ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                     ` <4C45F6F5.6050008-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-20 20:30                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20100720203044.GK7920-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-20 20:50                           ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                             ` <4C460BFD.5010707-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-20 20:57                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20100720205746.GL7920-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-20 21:03                                   ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                     ` <4C460F08.7030304-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-20 21:15                                       ` Steve Wise
2010-07-21 14:40                                   ` Or Gerlitz
2010-07-21 14:33               ` Or Gerlitz [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <4C47053B.3000802-hKgKHo2Ms0FWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-21 15:48                   ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                     ` <4C4716D8.2040902-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-22  8:18                       ` Or Gerlitz

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