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From: Steve Wise <swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
To: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Linux-RDMA <linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: About a shortcoming of the verbs API
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:21:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C4D99F8.3090206@opengridcomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinHRnt-jvy0xBOAPUDGcfx6=V6rkRT3t0Ja52FP-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On 07/25/2010 01:54 PM, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> One of the most common operations when using the verbs API is to
> dequeue and process completions. For many applications, e.g. storage
> protocols, processing completions in order is a correctness
> requirement. Unfortunately with the current IB verbs API it is not
> possible to process completions in order on a multiprocessor system
> when using notification-based completion processing without
> introducing additional locking.
>
> The two most common patterns for notification-based completion processing are:
>
> 1. Single completion processing loop.
>
> * Initialization:
> ib_req_notify_cq(cq, IB_CQ_NEXT_COMP);
>
> * Notification handler:
>
> struct ib_wc wc;
> ib_req_notify_cq(cq, IB_CQ_NEXT_COMP);
> while (ib_poll_cq(cq, 1,&wc)>  0)
>      /* process wc */
>
>
> 2. Double completion processing loop
>
> * Initialization:
> ib_req_notify_cq(cq, IB_CQ_NEXT_COMP);
>
> * Notification handler:
>
> struct ib_wc wc;
> do {
>      while (ib_poll_cq(cq, 1,&wc)>  0)
>          /* process wc */
> } while (ib_req_notify_cq(cq, IB_CQ_NEXT_COMP |
> IB_CQ_REPORT_MISSED_EVENTS)>  0);
>
>
> A known performance-wise disadvantage of the single notification
> processing loop in (1) is that the completion handler can be invoked
> with an empty completion queue (see also
> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org/msg03148.html).
> While less likely, this can also happen with the double notification
> processing loop (2).
>
> What is worse is that none of the above two loops guarantees that
> completions will be processed in order on a multiprocessor system. The
> following can happen with both (1) and (2):
> * The completion handler is invoked.
> * Notifications are reenabled.
> * A work completion (A) is popped of the completion queue.
> * Completion processing is delayed for whatever reason.
> * A new completion is pushed on the completion queue by the HCA.
> * A new notification is generated.
> * The same completion handler is invoked on another CPU, pops a
> completion (B) from the completion queue and processes it.
> * The completion handler that was delayed continues and processes
> completion (A).
>
> Or: completions (A) and (B) have been processed out-of-order.
>
> This is not only a shortcoming of the OFED implementation of the verbs
> API, but a shortcoming that is also present in the verb extensions as
> defined by the IBTA. My opinion is that defining "poll for completion"
> and "request completion notification" as separate verbs is not the
> most optimal approach for multiprocessor or multi-core systems.
>
> The only way I know of to prevent out-of-order completion processing
> with the current OFED verbs API is to protect the whole completion
> processing loop against concurrent execution with a spinlock. Maybe it
> should be considered to extend the verbs API such that it is possible
> to process completions in order without additional locking. Apparently
> API functions that allow this in a similar context have already been
> invented in the past -- see e.g. VipCQNotify() in the Virtual
> Interface Architecture Specification.
>
> Bart.
>

Hey Bart,

This this the API to which you refer?

http://docsrv.sco.com/cgi-bin/man/man?VipCQNotify+3VI


I don't see how it provides the semantics you desire?


Steve.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-26 14:21 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] <AANLkTi=zowawGDjyh+uKve_NiRNMXcrqjAk0hRxGSMOv@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <AANLkTi=zowawGDjyh+uKve_NiRNMXcrqjAk0hRxGSMOv-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-25 18:54   ` About a shortcoming of the verbs API Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <AANLkTinHRnt-jvy0xBOAPUDGcfx6=V6rkRT3t0Ja52FP-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-26 14:21       ` Steve Wise [this message]
     [not found]         ` <4C4D99F8.3090206-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-26 17:59           ` Bart Van Assche
2010-07-26 19:22       ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]         ` <adamxtejbes.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-27  7:54           ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]             ` <4C4E90B6.5070002-hKgKHo2Ms0FWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-28 17:44               ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                 ` <ada1vanfqn1.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-29  6:27                   ` Or Gerlitz
2010-07-27  8:33           ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]             ` <AANLkTinYuyCqJ6_wq6GH0vQGAY-mwC=7ZLicBnXO+efB-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-27 16:50               ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                 ` <adafwz4g98j.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-27 18:03                   ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]                     ` <AANLkTimAk0k-q1EKjaXOadoXvKXbEN9nAky0w1rjixxB-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-27 18:20                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20100727182046.GT7920-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-27 19:28                           ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]                             ` <AANLkTimAS6znoCCw33ipVV-W-e1BJS93Fxzp-oe0jO4u-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-27 20:15                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2010-07-28 17:42                               ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                 ` <ada62zzfqpj.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-28 17:51                                   ` Ralph Campbell
     [not found]                                     ` <1280339513.31421.264.camel-/vjeY7uYZjrPXfVEPVhPGq6RkeBMCJyt@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-28 18:01                                       ` Bart Van Assche
2010-07-28 18:05                                       ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                         ` <adask33eb36.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-28 18:11                                           ` Ralph Campbell
2010-07-28 18:16                                           ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                             ` <adaocdreal0.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-28 19:05                                               ` Ralph Campbell
2010-08-07  7:56                           ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]                             ` <AANLkTimc3iS8=8ZQ9u8tOLP4-q_e+o0=AncZj-Mbre2g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-07 16:32                               ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                 ` <adavd7mz8m9.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-08 18:19                                   ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]                                     ` <AANLkTinKsLNoia96AVDA6fP9Es5_2Rq_wTgY=z6wk_FE-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-09 14:49                                       ` David Dillow
     [not found]                                         ` <1281365347.4968.5.camel-FqX9LgGZnHWDB2HL1qBt2PIbXMQ5te18@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-09 18:45                                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
     [not found]                                             ` <4C604CB4.5060705-d+Crzxg7Rs0@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-09 18:58                                               ` David Dillow
2010-08-08  1:38                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20100808013822.GA15146-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-08 18:16                                   ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]                                     ` <AANLkTi=My1aK3VsYejeVeRSqo+7RNMX2x6osGNbBERvx-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-08 23:51                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20100808235104.GA32488-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-09  7:57                                           ` Bart Van Assche

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