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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: "Pekka Enberg" <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	"Tom Zanussi" <tzanussi@gmail.com>,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo" <acme@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: disabling group leader perf_event
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:55:54 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C852B2A.2030103@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100906154737.GA4332@elte.hu>

  On 09/06/2010 06:47 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
>> The actual language doesn't really matter.
> There are 3 basic categories:
>
>   1- Most (least abstract) specific code: a block of bytecode in the form
>      of a simplified, executable, kernel-checked x86 machine code block -
>      this is also the fastest form. [yes, this is actually possible.]

Do you then recompile it?  x86 is quite unpleasant.

>   2- Least specific (most abstract) code: A subset/sideset of C - as it's
>      the most kernel-developer-trustable/debuggable form.
>
>   3- Everything else little more than a dot on the spectrum between the
>      first two points.
>
> I lean towards #2 - but #1 looks interesting too. #3 is distinctly
> uninteresting as it cannot be as fast as #1 and cannot be as convenient
> as #2.

Curious - how do you guarantee safety of #1 or even #2?  Can you point 
me to any research?

Everything I'm aware of is bytecode with explicit measures to prevent 
forged pointers, but I admit I've spent no time on it.  It's interesting 
stuff, though.

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-06 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-06  9:12 disabling group leader perf_event Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 11:34   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 11:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 11:58       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 12:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 13:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-06 16:42               ` Tom Zanussi
2010-09-07 12:53                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-07 14:16                   ` Tom Zanussi
2010-09-06 12:49           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:43         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 12:45           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 13:41               ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-06 13:54                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 14:57               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:30                 ` Alan Cox
2010-09-06 15:20                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:48                     ` Alan Cox
2010-09-06 17:50                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:47                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 17:55                   ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-09-07  3:44                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07  8:33                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-07  9:13                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 22:43                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07 15:55                       ` Alan Cox
2010-09-08  1:44                       ` Paul Mackerras
2010-09-08  6:16                         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-08  6:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-08  7:30                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-08 19:30                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-09-09  7:38                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-08  6:19                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 20:31                   ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-06 20:37                     ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07  4:03                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07  9:30                       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07 22:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07 10:57                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-07 12:14                       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07 13:35                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-07 13:47                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 16:02                       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-12  6:46                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 17:54                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 18:48                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-12 19:14                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 20:32                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-12 21:06                             ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 22:19                               ` Ingo Molnar

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