From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:06:30 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C8A1F46.1090308@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikMOjZEZ6et1Tg26Qvfa3k0-s_-WdCD=G7CrteG@mail.gmail.com>
On 09/10/2010 02:43 PM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>
>>> and/or enterprise storage.
>> That doesn't eliminate undiscovered errors (they can still come from the
>> transport).
> Eliminating silent data corruption is currently not a goal for any
> disk image format I know of. For filesystems, I know that ZFS and
> btrfs will try to detect corruption using data checksumming.
>
> The guest filesystem, the disk image format, or the host filesystem
> could do checksumming. The hypervisor should keep out of the way in
> the interest of performance and emulation fidelity. Why does
> checksumming need to be done in the image format? Isn't the choice
> between host and guest filesystem checksumming already enough?
You're correct about the data. It's better to do it at the end-point in
any case.
The metadata is something else - an error in a cluster table is
magnified so it is likely to cause the loss of an entire image, and
there's nothing the guest can do about it. btrfs duplicates metadata to
avoid this (but if we have btrfs underneath, we can just use raw).
>> qcow2 exists, people use it, and by the time qed is offered on distros (even
>> more on enterprise distros), there will be a lot more qcow2 images. Not
>> everyone runs qemu.git HEAD.
>>
>> What will you tell those people? Upgrade your image? They may still want
>> to share it with older installations. What if they use features not present
>> in qed? Bad luck?
>>
>> qcow2 is going to live forever no matter what we do.
> It should be possible to do (live) upgrades for supported images.
>
That only solves part of the problem.
Please TRIM below the last line of your message.
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Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-06 10:04 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-06 10:25 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-06 10:31 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-06 14:21 ` Luca Tettamanti
2010-09-06 14:24 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-06 16:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 10:27 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-09-06 12:40 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-06 12:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 13:02 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-06 14:10 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-06 16:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 12:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 23:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-09-06 11:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2010-09-06 12:52 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 13:35 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-09-06 16:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 13:06 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 14:51 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 15:40 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 16:09 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 16:25 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 22:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 8:23 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-08 8:41 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-08 8:53 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-08 11:15 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-08 15:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-08 16:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 20:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-08 20:28 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09 2:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-09 6:24 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09 21:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 11:15 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09 6:53 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 21:22 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-09-14 10:46 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-14 11:08 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-14 12:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 12:55 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09 6:30 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-08 12:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 13:20 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-08 13:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 13:46 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-09 6:45 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09 6:48 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09 12:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09 16:48 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2010-09-09 17:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09 20:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 10:53 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:14 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:25 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:33 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 11:43 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 13:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 15:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 15:18 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 15:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 16:05 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 17:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 17:44 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 17:46 ` Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho
2010-09-10 14:02 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 14:05 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 14:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 14:24 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 14:06 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:43 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 12:06 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-09-10 13:28 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 12:12 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 12:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 12:47 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:10 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 13:19 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 13:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 13:56 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:48 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 13:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 13:47 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 14:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 15:49 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 17:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 17:42 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 19:33 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 10:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-12 13:24 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 15:13 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 15:56 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 17:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 17:51 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 20:18 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 9:24 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-13 11:28 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 11:34 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-13 11:48 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 13:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 11:03 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 13:24 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-07 16:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 21:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-07 22:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 22:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-08 15:07 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-09 6:59 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09 17:43 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09 20:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 11:22 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:29 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 11:37 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 13:58 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 19:25 ` Blue Swirl
2010-09-07 20:41 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 7:48 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-08 15:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-08 18:24 ` Blue Swirl
2010-09-08 18:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 18:56 ` Blue Swirl
2010-09-08 19:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-15 21:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-09-15 21:12 ` Anthony Liguori
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2010-09-17 3:51 [Qemu-devel] " Khoa Huynh
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