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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH v2 3/7] docs: Add QED image format specification
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:49:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CB3321F.2060803@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CB32615.6030008@redhat.com>

On 10/11/2010 09:58 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> A leak is unacceptable.  It means an image can grow to an unbounded 
>> size.  If you are a server provider offering multitenancy, then a 
>> malicious guest can potentially grow the image beyond it's allotted 
>> size causing a Denial of Service attack against another tenant.
>
>
> This particular leak cannot grow, and is not controlled by the guest.

As the image gets moved from hypervisor to hypervisor, it can keep 
growing if given a chance to fill up the disk, then trim it all way.

In a mixed hypervisor environment, it just becomes a numbers game.

>> A freelist has to be a non-optional feature.  When the freelist bit 
>> is set, an older QEMU cannot read the image.  If the freelist is 
>> completed used, the freelist bit can be cleared and the image is then 
>> usable by older QEMUs.
>
> Once we support TRIM (or detect zeros) we'll never have a clean freelist.

Zero detection doesn't add to the free list.

A potential solution here is to treat TRIM a little differently than 
we've been discussing.

When TRIM happens, don't immediately write an unallocated cluster entry 
for the L2.  Leave the L2 entry in-tact.  Don't actually write a UCE to 
the L2 until you actually allocate the block.

This implies a cost because you'll need to do metadata syncs to make 
this work.  However, that eliminates leakage.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-11 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-08 15:48 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/7] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/7] qcow2: Make get_bits_from_size() common Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-08 18:01   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/7] cutils: Add bytes_to_str() to format byte values Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 11:09   ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-10-13  9:15   ` [Qemu-devel] " Markus Armbruster
2010-10-13  9:28     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-13 10:58       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-13 10:25   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 3/7] docs: Add QED image format specification Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-10  9:20   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 10:09     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 13:04       ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 13:42         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 13:44           ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 14:06             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 14:12               ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:02             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 15:24               ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:41                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 15:47                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 14:54         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 14:58           ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:49             ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-10-11 16:02               ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 16:10                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 10:25                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 13:58   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-11 15:30     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 15:39       ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:46         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 16:18           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 17:14             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12  8:07               ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-12 13:16                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-12 13:32                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 15:50       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 4/7] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk image format Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 15:16   ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 5/7] qed: Table, L2 cache, and cluster functions Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-12 14:44   ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-10-13 13:41     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 6/7] qed: Read/write support Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-10  9:10   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 10:37     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 13:10       ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 13:55         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 14:57         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 15:08   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-12 15:22     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 15:39       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-12 15:59         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-12 16:16           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 16:21             ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 12:13             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-13 13:07               ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-13 13:24                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-13 13:50                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 14:07                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-13 14:08                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-13 14:10                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 14:11                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-13 14:16                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 14:53                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-13 15:08                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 15:42                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-14 11:06                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-13 14:10                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 7/7] qed: Consistency check support Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH v2 0/7] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format Kevin Wolf
2010-10-11 15:37   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-16  7:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi

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