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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: "cto@itechfrontiers.com" <cto@itechfrontiers.com>
Cc: Joshua Brindle <method@manicmethod.com>,
	KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: Recent status of SE-PostgreSQL
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 09:47:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D01162F.5040107@schaufler-ca.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D010801.90108@itechfrontiers.com>

On 12/9/2010 8:46 AM, cto@itechfrontiers.com wrote:
> Joshua,
>
> > Postgres is inherently trusted with it's own objects, the kernel cannot  mitigate that.
>
> Aha that's the point, daemons cannot be trusted, in case of DBMS it must be isolated anyway, (System Security wise)

I think that we can stop right here. Patrick, you need to go read up
on the composition of trusted systems. You also need to put a little
time into learning about their history. There were almost as many
Orange Book evaluations on multi-level secure databases as there were
on operating systems. All of the evaluated operating systems, with
the possible exception of SC/MP, made heavy use of trusted daemons.
Applications that enforce system policy are an expected and important
part of any security solution.

Patrick, the evidence is against your claims. Please have a look at
the literature and come back if you have questions.

Thank you.




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  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-09 17:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-08  4:11 Recent status of SE-PostgreSQL KaiGai Kohei
2010-12-08 15:29 ` Ted Toth
2010-12-08 23:41   ` KaiGai Kohei
2010-12-09  0:33     ` cto
2010-12-09  8:36       ` KaiGai Kohei
2010-12-09 12:28         ` cto
2010-12-09 16:10           ` Joshua Brindle
2010-12-09 16:46             ` cto
2010-12-09 17:47               ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2010-12-09 18:17                 ` cto
2010-12-09 20:07                   ` Joshua Brindle
2010-12-09 21:35                     ` cto

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