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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>
To: Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
Cc: Shuzhen Wang <shuzhenw@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, hzhong@codeaurora.org
Subject: Re: RFC: V4L2 driver for Qualcomm MSM camera.
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:11:49 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D188285.8090603@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201012241219.31754.hverkuil@xs4all.nl>

Em 24-12-2010 09:19, Hans Verkuil escreveu:
> Good to hear from Qualcomm!
> 
> I've made some comments below:
> 
> On Thursday, December 23, 2010 20:38:04 Shuzhen Wang wrote:
>> Hello, 
>>
>> This is the architecture overview we put together for Qualcomm MSM camera
>> support in linux-media tree. Your comments are very much appreciated!
>>
>>
>> Introduction
>> ============
>>
>> This is the video4linux driver for Qualcomm MSM (Mobile Station Modem)
>> camera.
>>
>> The driver supports video and camera functionality on Qualcomm MSM SoC.
>> It supports camera sensors provided by OEMs with parallel/MIPI
>> interfaces, and operates in continuous streaming, snapshot, or video
>> recording modes.
>>
>> Hardware description
>> ====================
>>
>> MSM camera hardware contains the following components:
>> 1. One or more camera sensors controlled via I2C bus, and data outputs
>> on AXI or MIPI bus.
>> 2. Video Front End (VFE) core is an image signal processing hardware
>> pipeline that takes the sensor output, does the necessary processing,
>> and outputs to a buffer for V4L2 application. VFE is clocked by PCLK
>> (pixel clock) from the sensor.
>>
>> Software description
>> ====================
>>
>> The driver encapsulates the low-level hardware management and aligns
>> the interface to V4L2 driver framework. There is also a user space
>> camera service daemon which handles events from driver and changes
>> settings accordingly.
>>
>> During boot-up, the sensor is probed for and if the probe succeeds
>> /dev/video0 and /dev/msm_camera/config0 device nodes are created. The
>> /dev/video0 node is used for video buffer allocation in the kernel and for
>> receiving V4L2 ioctls for controlling the camera hardware (VFE, sensors).
>> The /dev/msm_camera/config0 node is used for sending commands and other
>> statistics available from the hardware to the camera service daemon. Note
>> that if more than one camera sensor is detected, there will be /dev/video1
>> and /dev/msm_camera/config1 device nodes created as well.
> 
> Does config control the sensor or the main msm subsystem? Or both?
> 
>>
>> Design
>> ======
>>
>> For MSM camera IC, significant portion of image processing and optimization
>> codes are proprietary, so they cannot sit in kernel space. This plays an
>> important role when making design decisions.
>>
>> Our design is to have a light-weighted kernel driver, and put the
>> proprietary code in a user space daemon. The daemon polls on events
>> from /dev/msm_camera/config0 device in the form of v4l2_event. The events
>> could either be asynchronous (generated by the hardware), or synchronous
>> (control command from the application). Based on the events it receives,
>> the daemon will send appropriate control commands to the hardware.
>>
>>    +-------------+        +----------------+
>>    | Application |        | Service Daemon |
>>    +-------------+        +----------------+     User Space
>>  ..........................................................
>>    +--------------------------------------+      Kernel Space
>>    |                V4L2                  |
>>    +--------------------------------------+
>>    +---------+     +--------+     +-------+
>>    | VFE/ISP |     | Sensor |     | Flash |
>>    +---------+     +--------+     +-------+
> 
> Just to repeat what I have discussed with Qualcomm before (so that everyone knows):
> I have no problem with proprietary code as long as:
> 
> 1) the hardware and driver APIs are clearly documented allowing someone else to
> make their own algorithms.
> 
> 2) the initial state of the hardware as set up by the driver is good enough to
> capture video in normal lighting conditions. In other words: the daemon should not
> be needed for testing the driver. I compare this with cheap webcams that often
> need software white balancing to get a decent picture. They still work without
> that, but the picture simply doesn't look very good.
> 
> We also discussed the daemon in the past. The idea was that it should be called
> from libv4l2. Is this still the plan?
> 
>> Power Management
>> ================
>>
>> None at this point.
>>
>> SMP/multi-core
>> ==============
>>
>> Mutex is used for synchronization of threads accessing the driver
>> simultaneously. Between hardware interrupt handler and threads,
>> we use spinlock to make sure locking is done properly.
> 
> Take a look at the new core-assisted locking scheme implemented for 2.6.37.
> This might simplify your driver. Just FYI.
>  
>> Security
>> ========
>>
>> None.
>>
>> Interface
>> =========
>>
>> The driver uses V4L2 API for user kernel interaction. Refer to
>> http://v4l2spec.bytesex.org/spec-single/v4l2.html.
> 
> That's really, really old. This is much more up to date:
> 
> http://linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis/
> 
> And the very latest build every day is always available here:
> 
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~hverkuil/spec/media.html
>>
>> Between camera service daemon and the driver, we have customized IOCTL
>> commands associated with /dev/msm_camera/config0 node, that controls MSM
>> camera hardware. The list of IOCTLs are (declarations can be found in
>> include/media/msm_camera.h):
>>
>> MSM_CAM_IOCTL_GET_SENSOR_INFO
>>         Get the basic information such as name, flash support for the
>>         detected sensor.

Hmm... It may be interesting to have this as a standard ioctl for webcams.

>> MSM_CAM_IOCTL_SENSOR_IO_CFG
>>         Get or set sensor configurations: fps, line_pf, pixels_pl,
>>         exposure and gain, etc. The setting is stored in sensor_cfg_data
>>         structure.

This doesn't make much sense to me as-is. The V4L2 API can set fps, exposure, 
gain and other things. Please only use private ioctl's for those things that
aren't provided elsewhere and can't be mapped into some CTRL.

>> MSM_CAM_IOCTL_CONFIG_VFE
>>         Change settings of different components of VFE hardware.

Hard to analyze it, as you didn't provide any details ;) 

Maybe the media controller API will be the right place for it. As Hans pointed,
the hardware should be able to work without private ioctl's and/or media
controller stuff.

>> MSM_CAM_IOCTL_CTRL_CMD_DONE
>>         Notify the driver that the ctrl command is finished.

Just looking at the ioctl name, this doesn't make much sense. If you open a 
device on normal way, the ioctl it will block until the operation is completed.

Could you please provide more details about it?

>> MSM_CAM_IOCTL_RELEASE_STATS_BUFFER
>>         Notify the driver that the service daemon has done processing the
>>         stats buffer, and is returning it to the driver.

The media controller API is the right place for things like stats.

>> MSM_CAM_IOCTL_AXI_CONFIG
>>         Configure AXI bus parameters (frame buffer addresses, offsets) to
>>         the VFE hardware.

Hard to analyze it, as you didn't provide any details ;) 

The same comments I did for MSM_CAM_IOCTL_CONFIG_VFE apply here.

> Laurent Pinchart has a patch series adding support for device nodes for
> sub-devices. The only reason that series isn't merged yet is that there are
> no merged drivers that need it. You should use those patches to implement
> these ioctls in sub-devices. I guess you probably want to create a subdev
> for the VFE hardware. The SENSOR_INFO ioctl seems like something that can
> be implemented using the upcoming media controller framework.
> 
> My guess is that these ioctls will need some work.
>  
>> Driver parameters
>> =================
>>
>> None.
>>
>> Config options
>> ==============
>>
>> MSM_CAMERA in drivers/media/video/msm/Kconfig file
>>
>> Dependencies
>> ============
>>
>> PMIC, I2C, Clock, GPIO
>>
>> User space utilities
>> ====================
>>
>> A daemon process in the user space called mm-qcamera-daemon is polling
>> on events from the driver. This daemon is required in order for the V4L2
>> client application to run, and it's started by the init script.
>>
>> Other
>> =====
>>
>> To do
>> =====
>>
>> 1. Eliminate creation of /dev/msm_camera/config0 by routing private
>> ioctls through /dev/video0.
>> 2. Create sub devices for sensor and VFE.
> 
> It's more likely that the private ioctls will go through subdev device nodes.
> 
> That's really what they were designed for.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	Hans
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-12-27 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-23 19:38 RFC: V4L2 driver for Qualcomm MSM camera Shuzhen Wang
2010-12-24 11:19 ` Hans Verkuil
2010-12-27  6:45   ` Shuzhen Wang
2010-12-27 12:11   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2010-12-28 18:35     ` Shuzhen Wang
2010-12-28 20:23       ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-01-04  2:37         ` Shuzhen Wang
2011-01-04  6:14           ` Haibo Zhong
2011-01-04  8:46             ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-01-04 10:40               ` Hans Verkuil
2011-01-04 14:29                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-04 18:08                   ` Markus Rechberger
2011-01-04 19:37                     ` Yan, Yupeng
2011-01-05  0:15                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-01-07  0:03                         ` Yupeng Yan
2011-01-07 14:37                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-01-04  8:35           ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-01-04 11:30           ` Sakari Ailus

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