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From: Gordan Bobic <gordan@bobich.net>
To: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Offline Deduplication for Btrfs
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:41:28 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D25D498.4050709@bobich.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110106142059.GA13178@domone>

Ond=C5=99ej B=C3=ADlka wrote:

>>> Then again, for a lot of use-cases there are perhaps better ways to
>>> achieve the targed goal than deduping on FS level, e.g. snapshottin=
g or
>>> something like fl-cow:
>>> http://www.xmailserver.org/flcow.html
>>>
> As VM are concerned fl-cow is poor replacement of deduping.

Depends on your VM. If your VM uses monolithic images, then you're=20
right. For a better solution, take a look at vserver's hashify feature=20
for something that does this very well in it's own context.

> Upgrading packages? 1st vm upgrades and copies changed files.
> After while second upgrades and copies files too. More and more becom=
es duped again.

So you want online dedupe, then. :)

> If you host multiple distributions you need to translate
> that /usr/share/bin/foo in foonux is /us/bin/bar in barux

The chances of the binaries being the same between distros are between=20
slim and none. In the context of VMs where you have access to raw files=
,=20
as I said, look at vserver's hashify feature. It doesn't care about fil=
e=20
names, it will COW hard-link all files with identical content. This=20
doesn't even require an exhaustive check of all the files' contents -=20
you can start with file sizes. Files that have different sizes can't=20
have the same contents, so you can discard most of the comparing before=
=20
you even open the file, most of the work gets done based on metadata al=
one.

> And primary reason to dedupe is not to reduce space usage but to
> improve caching. Why should machine A read file if machine B read it =
five minutes ago.

Couldn't agree more. This is what I was trying to explain earlier. Even=
=20
if deduping did cause more fragmentation (and I don't think that is the=
=20
case to any significant extent), the improved caching efficiency would=20
more than offset this.

Gordan
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  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-06 14:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-05 16:36 Offline Deduplication for Btrfs Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 16:36 ` [PATCH] Btrfs: add extent-same ioctl for dedup Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 17:50   ` Simon Farnsworth
2011-01-05 16:36 ` [PATCH] Btrfs-progs: add dedup functionality Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 17:42 ` Offline Deduplication for Btrfs Gordan Bobic
2011-01-05 18:41   ` Diego Calleja
2011-01-05 19:01     ` Ray Van Dolson
2011-01-05 20:27       ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-05 20:28       ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 20:25     ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-05 21:14       ` Diego Calleja
2011-01-05 21:21         ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-05 19:46   ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 19:58     ` Lars Wirzenius
2011-01-05 20:15       ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 20:34         ` Freddie Cash
2011-01-05 21:07       ` Lars Wirzenius
2011-01-05 20:12     ` Freddie Cash
2011-01-05 20:46     ` Gordan Bobic
     [not found]       ` <4D250B3C.6010708@shiftmail.org>
2011-01-06  1:03         ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06  1:56           ` Spelic
2011-01-06 10:39             ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06  3:33           ` Freddie Cash
2011-01-06  1:19       ` Spelic
2011-01-06  3:58         ` Peter A
2011-01-06 10:48           ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 13:33             ` Peter A
2011-01-06 14:00               ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 14:52                 ` Peter A
2011-01-06 15:07                   ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 16:11                     ` Peter A
2011-01-06 18:35           ` Chris Mason
2011-01-08  0:27             ` Peter A
2011-01-06 14:30         ` Tomasz Torcz
2011-01-06 14:49           ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06  1:29   ` Chris Mason
2011-01-06 10:33     ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-10 15:28     ` Ric Wheeler
2011-01-10 15:37       ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-10 15:39         ` Chris Mason
2011-01-10 15:43           ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-06 12:18   ` Simon Farnsworth
2011-01-06 12:29     ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 13:30       ` Simon Farnsworth
2011-01-06 14:20     ` Ondřej Bílka
2011-01-06 14:41       ` Gordan Bobic [this message]
2011-01-06 15:37         ` Ondřej Bílka
2011-01-06  8:25 ` Yan, Zheng 
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-01-06  9:37 Tomasz Chmielewski
2011-01-06  9:51 ` Mike Hommey
2011-01-06 16:57   ` Hubert Kario
2011-01-06 10:52 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-16  0:18 Arjen Nienhuis

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