From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH 0/3] Let RTC follow backward jumps of host clock immediately
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:04:12 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D2D6E8C.8060801@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D2DA729.7030705@siemens.com>
Am 12.01.2011 14:05, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> Am 12.01.2011 13:27, Gleb Natapov wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:26:25PM +0100, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>> Am 23.12.2010 21:45, Zachary Amsden wrote:
>>>> On 12/17/2010 04:58 AM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>>>> By default, we base the mc146818 RTC on the host clock (CLOCK_REALTIME).
>>>>> This works fine if only the frequency of the host clock is tuned (e.g.
>>>>> by NTP) or if it is set to a future time. However, if the host is tuned
>>>>> backward, e.g. because NTP obtained the correct time after the guest was
>>>>> already started or the admin decided to tune the local time, we see an
>>>>> unpleasant effect in the guest: The RTC will stall for the period the
>>>>> host clock is set back.
>>>>>
>>>>> This series tries to address the issue more gracefully. By detecting
>>>>> those warps and providing a callback mechanism to device models, the
>>>>> RTC is enabled to update its timers and register content immediately.
>>>>> Tested successfully with a hwclock readout loop in a Linux guest while
>>>>> fiddling with the host time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that if this kind of RTC adjustment is not wanted, the user is
>>>>> still free to decouple the RTC from the host clock and base it on the
>>>>> VM clock - just like before.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you test this with a Windows guest? They rely heavily on RTC, this
>>>> is probably a better behavior for that case. I'd be curious if Windows
>>>> accepts the RTC register changing underneath it, but based on earlier
>>>> versions of Windows Time Service, would be surprised if it did not.
>>>
>>> I haven't tried with Windows yet. When does it read the RTC and how can
>>> I check the outcome?
>>>
>> Windows relies on timely delivery of RTC interrupts to calculate wall
>> clock. If, dues to the stall described above, interrupts will not be
>> delivered for some period of time Windows guest may experience time
>> drift.
>
> Ah, now I remember again. Will check the behavior before/after the patch.
Looks good: Without my patches, Windows' clock stops to tick once I
reverse the host time by a significant period. With the patches, the
guest clock proceeds apparently unaffectedly. So this series should be
want-to-have for Windows virtualization as well.
Jan
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-12 13:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-12-17 14:58 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH 0/3] Let RTC follow backward jumps of host clock immediately Jan Kiszka
2010-12-17 14:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH 1/3] qemu-timer: Consolidate qemu_get_clock and qemu_get_clock_ns Jan Kiszka
2010-12-17 14:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH 2/3] qemu-timer: Introduce warp callback Jan Kiszka
2010-12-17 14:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH 3/3] mc146818rtc: Handle host clock warps Jan Kiszka
2010-12-23 20:45 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH 0/3] Let RTC follow backward jumps of host clock immediately Zachary Amsden
2011-01-12 11:26 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-01-12 12:27 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-01-12 13:05 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-01-12 9:04 ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2011-01-26 11:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
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