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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Matt Fleming <matt@console-pimps.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, peterz@infradead.org, will.newton@gmail.com,
	jbaron@redhat.com, mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca, mingo@elte.hu,
	tglx@linutronix.de, andi@firstfloor.org, roland@redhat.com,
	rth@redhat.com, masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, avi@redhat.com, sam@ravnborg.org,
	ddaney@caviumnetworks.com, michael@ellerman.id.au,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, vapier@gentoo.org,
	cmetcalf@tilera.com, dhowells@redhat.com, schwidefsky@de.ibm.com,
	heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com, benh@kernel.crashing.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] jump label: 2.6.38 updates
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:19:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D59B891.8010300@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110214223755.436e7cf4@mfleming-mobl1.ger.corp.intel.com>

On 02/14/2011 02:37 PM, Matt Fleming wrote:
>>
>> I don't see how cache coherency can possibly work if the hardware
>> behaves this way.
> 
> Cache coherency is still maintained provided writes/reads both go
> through the cache ;-)
> 
> The problem is that for read-modify-write operations the arbitration
> logic that decides who "wins" and is allowed to actually perform the
> write, assuming two or more CPUs are competing for a single memory
> address, is not implemented in the cache controller, I think. I'm not a
> hardware engineer and I never understood how the arbitration logic
> worked but I'm guessing that's the reason that the ll/sc instructions
> bypass the cache.
> 
> Which is why the atomic_t functions worked out really well for that
> arch, such that any accesses to an atomic_t * had to go through the
> wrapper functions.

I'm sorry... this doesn't compute.  Either reads can work normally (go
through the cache) in which case atomic_read() can simply be a read or
they don't, so I don't understand this at all.

	-hpa

-- 
H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center
I work for Intel.  I don't speak on their behalf.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-02-14 23:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-05 15:43 [PATCH 0/2] jump label: 2.6.38 updates Jason Baron
2011-01-05 15:43 ` [PATCH 1/2] jump label: make enable/disable o(1) Jason Baron
2011-01-05 17:31   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-05 21:19     ` Jason Baron
2011-01-05 15:43 ` [PATCH 2/2] jump label: introduce static_branch() Jason Baron
2011-01-05 17:15   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-05 17:46     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-05 18:52       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-01-05 21:19         ` Jason Baron
2011-01-05 21:14     ` Jason Baron
2011-01-05 17:32   ` David Daney
2011-01-05 17:43     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-05 18:44       ` David Miller
2011-01-05 20:04         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-05 18:56       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-01-05 19:14         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-01-05 19:32           ` David Daney
2011-01-05 19:50             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-01-05 20:07               ` David Daney
2011-01-05 20:08                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-01-05 20:18                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-01-05 21:16     ` Jason Baron
2011-01-05 17:41   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-09 18:48   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-11 19:25 ` [PATCH 0/2] jump label: 2.6.38 updates Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-11 21:13   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]   ` <BLU0-SMTP101B686C32E10BA346B15F896EF0@phx.gbl>
2011-02-11 21:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-11 22:15       ` Jason Baron
2011-02-11 22:19         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-02-11 22:30         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-11 22:20       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]       ` <BLU0-SMTP8562BA758CF8AAE5323AE296EF0@phx.gbl>
2011-02-11 22:27         ` Jason Baron
2011-02-11 22:32           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-12 18:47       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 12:27         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-14 15:51         ` Jason Baron
2011-02-14 15:57           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 16:04             ` Jason Baron
2011-02-14 16:14               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]               ` <BLU0-SMTP4069A1A89F06CDFF9B28F896D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-14 16:25                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 16:29                   ` Jason Baron
2011-02-14 16:37                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 16:43                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-14 16:46                       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-14 16:53                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 17:18                         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-14 17:23                           ` Mike Frysinger
2011-02-14 17:27                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 17:29                             ` Mike Frysinger
2011-02-14 17:38                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 17:45                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-02-14 17:38                             ` Will Newton
2011-02-14 17:43                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 17:50                                 ` Will Newton
2011-02-14 18:04                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 18:24                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 18:53                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-14 21:29                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-14 21:39                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-14 21:46                                         ` David Miller
2011-02-14 22:20                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-14 22:21                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-14 22:21                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-02-14 22:29                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                               ` <BLU0-SMTP98BFCC52FD41661DD9CC1E96D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-14 22:33                                                 ` David Miller
2011-02-14 22:33                                             ` David Miller
2011-02-14 22:37                                           ` Matt Fleming
2011-02-14 23:03                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                             ` <BLU0-SMTP166A8555C791786059B0FF96D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-14 23:09                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-02-14 23:29                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                 ` <BLU0-SMTP4599FAAD7330498472B87396D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-15  0:19                                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2011-02-15  0:48                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-15  1:29                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                                                 ` <BLU0-SMTP984E876DBDFBC13F4C86F896D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-15  0:42                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-02-15  0:51                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-15 11:53                                                 ` Will Newton
2011-02-18 19:03                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-02-14 23:19                                             ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2011-02-15 11:01                                               ` Will Newton
2011-02-15 13:31                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-02-15 13:49                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-15 14:04                                                   ` Will Newton
2011-02-15 21:11                                                 ` Will Simoneau
2011-02-15 21:27                                                   ` David Miller
2011-02-15 21:56                                                     ` Will Simoneau
2011-02-16 10:15                                                       ` Will Newton
2011-02-16 12:18                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-16 12:41                                                           ` Will Newton
2011-02-16 13:24                                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-16 22:51                                                             ` Will Simoneau
2011-02-17  0:53                                                               ` Please watch your cc lists Andi Kleen
2011-02-17  0:56                                                                 ` David Miller
2011-02-17  1:04                                                                   ` Michael Witten
2011-02-17 10:55                                                               ` [PATCH 0/2] jump label: 2.6.38 updates Will Newton
     [not found]                                                             ` <BLU0-SMTP80F56386E7E060A3B2020B96D20@phx.gbl>
2011-02-17  1:55                                                               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2011-02-17  3:19                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-02-17 16:03                                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                             ` <BLU0-SMTP71BCB155CBAE79997EE08D96D20@phx.gbl>
2011-02-17  3:36                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-17 16:13                                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                                 ` <BLU0-SMTP51D40A5B1DACA8883D6AB596D50@phx.gbl>
2011-02-17 20:09                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-15 22:20                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-02-16  8:35                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-17  1:04                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-02-17 12:51                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                             ` <BLU0-SMTP637B2E9372CFBF3A0B5B0996D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-14 23:25                                               ` David Miller
2011-02-14 23:34                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                 ` <20110214233405.GC17432@Krystal>
2011-02-14 23:52                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-14 22:15                                         ` Matt Fleming
2011-02-15 15:20                             ` Heiko Carstens
     [not found]                       ` <BLU0-SMTP64371A838030ED92A7CCB696D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-14 18:54                         ` Jason Baron
2011-02-14 19:20                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 19:48                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-14 16:11         ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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