Re: [LARTC] List fault?

[Nikolay Kichukov <hijacker@oldum.net>]

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Let's go for it then, count me in!

On 05/05/2011 05:10 AM, Russell Stuart wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 13:06 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote:
>> Seeing that now messages seem to be flowing in a timely manner, I'd 
>> suggest that we give this list a week to a month probation to see if
>> it has straightened up it's act.I'd also like a comment from the list
>> maintainer or a moderator in his / her stead.
> 
> The argument against that it is well neigh impossible to move the list
> if the lists dies again, and we all loose contact with each other.  We
> can only move the list while we are a coordinated group, and the only
> means we have of coordinating is this list.  Dying again soon seems
> likely.  I don't know why the list burst into life this time around, but
> it has happened several times before only to die again a short while
> later.
> 
> I like others think the list and its associated HOWTO is a pretty
> important resource.  It would be nice to rescue it while we have the
> chance.
> 
>> I'd also like a comment from the list maintainer or a moderator in
>> his / her stead.
> 
> This person would be very handy if they pop up, but I would not be
> waiting around for them.
> 
> The current problem we have is a social one.  We are a highly technical
> group.  Just about of any of us could run a list server.  I imagine most
> of us have the resources to do so.  So the problem isn't running the
> server.  It is organising ourselves so the list is can be maintained
> over decades as participants come and go.  Having one person in charge,
> running a domain name owned by them or on hardware owned by them is not
> a good way to go.
> 
> So Radu your offer to set up the list is great - but since it just
> replicates the situation we are in now I don't think it or similar
> offers are such a good idea.
> 
> A list on vger.kernel.org does seem like a workable solution.  Large a
> third party provider such as google groups, yahoo groups, github,
> sourceforge or savanaha may be an even better solution as they would be
> just a reliable, and they provide a web page were we could collaborate
> on for things like HOWTO's.  We would just have to organise among
> ourselves governance of the list properly.
> 
> Normally I'd suggest we explore these other alternatives.  But we don't
> know when the axe will fall again.  The chief attraction of
> vger.kernel.org seems to be we don't have to organise governance - we
> just hand it over to davem and matti (vger's admins).  So there is no
> mucking around with internal politics - one or more of us just ask them
> to set set up the list.
> 
> So who is in favour of doing this ASAP - like within the next few week
> or so?  If you respond to this email, we can use the archived responses
> as proof to vger.kernel.org's admins there is sufficient interest to
> make it there worth their while.
> 
>> However I think that this list (LARTC) is well known and documented all 
>> over the place.  So even if we migrate elsewhere, there will still be 
>> people that stumble on to this list.
> 
> Yes, but there is nothing we can do about that.  Stumbling over a dead
> list is not useful, regardless of how easy it is to find.  A working
> list what we need, and that should be our first priority.
> 
> If the person who owns lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl pops up then we can do
> other things that ameliorate "stumble over this list" problem - things
> like putting in email redirects, put notices on web pages and so on.
> But such things are just icing on the cake.  We should not wait to see
> whether we can do it.  Just move the list, and organise the icing later
> if we can.
> 
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