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From: Santosh Shilimkar <santosh.shilimkar@ti.com>
To: jean.pihet@newoldbits.com
Cc: linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, Jean Pihet <j-pihet@ti.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] OMAP3: run the ASM sleep code from DDR
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:21:36 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DFB23A8.2020408@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1308300725-12150-1-git-send-email-j-pihet@ti.com>

On 6/17/2011 2:22 PM, jean.pihet@newoldbits.com wrote:
> From: Jean Pihet<j-pihet@ti.com>
>
> Most of the ASM sleep code (in arch/arm/mach-omap2/sleep34xx.S)
> is copied to internal SRAM and run from there.
> However only a small part of the code really needs to run from internal SRAM.
>
> This fix lets most of the ASM idle code run from the DDR
> in order to minimize the SRAM usage. No performance
> loss or gain can be measured with a 32KHz clock period.
>
> The only pieces of code that are mandatory in SRAM
> are:
> - the i443 erratum WA,
> - the i581 erratum WA,
> - the security extension code.
>
> SRAM usage:
> - original code:
>    . 560 bytes for omap3_sram_configure_core_dpll (used by DVFS),
>    . 1196 bytes for omap_sram_idle (used by suspend/resume in RETention),
>    . 124 bytes for es3_sdrc_fix (used by suspend/resume in OFF mode on ES3.x),
>    . 108 bytes for save_secure_ram_context (used on HS parts only).
>
> With this fix the usage for suspend/resume in RETention goes down 288 bytes,
> so the gain in SRAM usage for suspend/resume is 908 bytes.
>
> Also fixed the SRAM initialization sequence to avoid an unnecessary
> copy to SRAM at boot time and for readability.
>
> Tested on Beagleboard (ES2.x) in idle with full RET and OFF modes.
>
> Signed-off-by: Jean Pihet<j-pihet@ti.com>

As mentioned in the other thread, with auto-deps set always
which is the case on OMAP3, this patch is safe.
FWIW: Acked-by: Santosh Shilimkar <santosh.shilimkar@ti.com>c

> ---
>   arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm.h        |   20 ++-
>   arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm34xx.c    |   20 ++-
>   arch/arm/mach-omap2/sleep34xx.S |  316 ++++++++++++++++++++++-----------------
>   arch/arm/plat-omap/sram.c       |   15 +--
>   4 files changed, 213 insertions(+), 158 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm.h b/arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm.h
> index 45bcfce..a4ec213 100644
> --- a/arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm.h
> +++ b/arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm.h
> @@ -88,18 +88,28 @@ extern int pm_dbg_regset_init(int reg_set);
>   #define pm_dbg_regset_init(reg_set) do {} while (0);
>   #endif /* CONFIG_PM_DEBUG */
>
> +/* 24xx */
>   extern void omap24xx_idle_loop_suspend(void);
> +extern unsigned int omap24xx_idle_loop_suspend_sz;
>
>   extern void omap24xx_cpu_suspend(u32 dll_ctrl, void __iomem *sdrc_dlla_ctrl,
>   					void __iomem *sdrc_power);
> +extern unsigned int omap24xx_cpu_suspend_sz;
> +
> +/* 3xxx */
>   extern void omap34xx_cpu_suspend(u32 *addr, int save_state);
> -extern int save_secure_ram_context(u32 *addr);
> -extern void omap3_save_scratchpad_contents(void);
>
> -extern unsigned int omap24xx_idle_loop_suspend_sz;
> +/* omap3_do_wfi function pointer and size, for copy to SRAM */
> +extern void omap3_do_wfi(void);
> +extern unsigned int omap3_do_wfi_sz;
> +/* ... and its pointer from SRAM after copy */
> +extern void (*omap3_do_wfi_sram)(void);
> +
> +/* save_secure_ram_context function pointer and size, for copy to SRAM */
> +extern int save_secure_ram_context(u32 *addr);
>   extern unsigned int save_secure_ram_context_sz;
> -extern unsigned int omap24xx_cpu_suspend_sz;
> -extern unsigned int omap34xx_cpu_suspend_sz;
> +
> +extern void omap3_save_scratchpad_contents(void);
>
>   #define PM_RTA_ERRATUM_i608		(1<<  0)
>   #define PM_SDRC_WAKEUP_ERRATUM_i583	(1<<  1)
> diff --git a/arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm34xx.c b/arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm34xx.c
> index c155c9d..f056732 100644
> --- a/arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm34xx.c
> +++ b/arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm34xx.c
> @@ -83,9 +83,8 @@ struct power_state {
>
>   static LIST_HEAD(pwrst_list);
>
> -static void (*_omap_sram_idle)(u32 *addr, int save_state);
> -
>   static int (*_omap_save_secure_sram)(u32 *addr);
> +void (*omap3_do_wfi_sram)(void);
>
>   static struct powerdomain *mpu_pwrdm, *neon_pwrdm;
>   static struct powerdomain *core_pwrdm, *per_pwrdm;
> @@ -352,9 +351,6 @@ void omap_sram_idle(void)
>   	int core_prev_state, per_prev_state;
>   	u32 sdrc_pwr = 0;
>
> -	if (!_omap_sram_idle)
> -		return;
> -
>   	pwrdm_clear_all_prev_pwrst(mpu_pwrdm);
>   	pwrdm_clear_all_prev_pwrst(neon_pwrdm);
>   	pwrdm_clear_all_prev_pwrst(core_pwrdm);
> @@ -436,7 +432,7 @@ void omap_sram_idle(void)
>   	 * get saved. The restore path then reads from this
>   	 * location and restores them back.
>   	 */
> -	_omap_sram_idle(omap3_arm_context, save_state);
> +	omap34xx_cpu_suspend(omap3_arm_context, save_state);
>   	cpu_init();
>
>   	/* Restore normal SDRC POWER settings */
> @@ -852,10 +848,17 @@ static int __init clkdms_setup(struct clockdomain *clkdm, void *unused)
>   	return 0;
>   }
>
> +/*
> + * Push functions to SRAM
> + *
> + * The minimum set of functions is pushed to SRAM for execution:
> + * - omap3_do_wfi for erratum i581 WA,
> + * - save_secure_ram_context for security extensions.
> + */
>   void omap_push_sram_idle(void)
>   {
> -	_omap_sram_idle = omap_sram_push(omap34xx_cpu_suspend,
> -					omap34xx_cpu_suspend_sz);
> +	omap3_do_wfi_sram = omap_sram_push(omap3_do_wfi, omap3_do_wfi_sz);
> +
>   	if (omap_type() != OMAP2_DEVICE_TYPE_GP)
>   		_omap_save_secure_sram = omap_sram_push(save_secure_ram_context,
>   				save_secure_ram_context_sz);
> @@ -920,7 +923,6 @@ static int __init omap3_pm_init(void)
>   	per_clkdm = clkdm_lookup("per_clkdm");
>   	core_clkdm = clkdm_lookup("core_clkdm");
>
> -	omap_push_sram_idle();
>   #ifdef CONFIG_SUSPEND
>   	suspend_set_ops(&omap_pm_ops);
>   #endif /* CONFIG_SUSPEND */
> diff --git a/arch/arm/mach-omap2/sleep34xx.S b/arch/arm/mach-omap2/sleep34xx.S
> index 63f1066..2ef0c0d 100644
> --- a/arch/arm/mach-omap2/sleep34xx.S
> +++ b/arch/arm/mach-omap2/sleep34xx.S
> @@ -179,8 +179,10 @@ ENTRY(save_secure_ram_context_sz)
>    *
>    *
>    * Notes:
> - * - this code gets copied to internal SRAM at boot and after wake-up
> - *   from OFF mode. The execution pointer in SRAM is _omap_sram_idle.
> + * - only the minimum set of functions gets copied to internal SRAM at boot
> + *   and after wake-up from OFF mode, cf. omap_push_sram_idle. The function
> + *   pointers in SDRAM or SRAM are called depending on the desired low power
> + *   target state.
>    * - when the OMAP wakes up it continues at different execution points
>    *   depending on the low power mode (non-OFF vs OFF modes),
>    *   cf. 'Resume path for xxx mode' comments.
> @@ -198,9 +200,15 @@ ENTRY(omap34xx_cpu_suspend)
>   	 *   3 - Both L1 and L2 lost and logic lost
>   	 */
>
> -	/* Directly jump to WFI is the context save is not required */
> -	cmp	r1, #0x0
> -	beq	omap3_do_wfi
> +	/*
> +	 * For OFF mode: save context and jump to WFI in SDRAM (omap3_do_wfi)
> +	 * For non-OFF modes: jump to the WFI code in SRAM (omap3_do_wfi_sram)
> +	 */
> +	ldr	r4, omap3_do_wfi_sram_addr
> +	ldr	r5, [r4]
> +	cmp	r1, #0x0		@ If no context save required,
> +	bxeq	r5			@  jump to the WFI code in SRAM
> +
>
>   	/* Otherwise fall through to the save context code */
>   save_context_wfi:
> @@ -284,7 +292,32 @@ clean_caches:
>    THUMB(	nop		)
>   	.arm
>
> -omap3_do_wfi:
> +	b	omap3_do_wfi
> +
> +/*
> + * Local variables
> + */
> +omap3_do_wfi_sram_addr:
> +	.word omap3_do_wfi_sram
> +kernel_flush:
> +	.word v7_flush_dcache_all
> +
> +/* ===================================
> + * == WFI instruction =>  Enter idle ==
> + * ===================================
> + */
> +
> +/*
> + * Do WFI instruction
> + * Includes the resume path for non-OFF modes
> + *
> + * This code gets copied to internal SRAM and is accessible
> + * from both SDRAM and SRAM:
> + * - executed from SRAM for non-off modes (omap3_do_wfi_sram),
> + * - executed from SDRAM for OFF mode (omap3_do_wfi).
> + */
> +	.align	3
> +ENTRY(omap3_do_wfi)
>   	ldr	r4, sdrc_power		@ read the SDRC_POWER register
>   	ldr	r5, [r4]		@ read the contents of SDRC_POWER
>   	orr	r5, r5, #0x40		@ enable self refresh on idle req
> @@ -316,8 +349,86 @@ omap3_do_wfi:
>   	nop
>   	nop
>   	nop
> -	bl wait_sdrc_ok
>
> +/*
> + * This function implements the erratum ID i581 WA:
> + *  SDRC state restore before accessing the SDRAM
> + *
> + * Only used at return from non-OFF mode. For OFF
> + * mode the ROM code configures the SDRC and
> + * the DPLL before calling the restore code directly
> + * from DDR.
> + */
> +
> +/* Make sure SDRC accesses are ok */
> +wait_sdrc_ok:
> +
> +/* DPLL3 must be locked before accessing the SDRC. Maybe the HW ensures this */
> +	ldr	r4, cm_idlest_ckgen
> +wait_dpll3_lock:
> +	ldr	r5, [r4]
> +	tst	r5, #1
> +	beq	wait_dpll3_lock
> +
> +	ldr	r4, cm_idlest1_core
> +wait_sdrc_ready:
> +	ldr	r5, [r4]
> +	tst	r5, #0x2
> +	bne	wait_sdrc_ready
> +	/* allow DLL powerdown upon hw idle req */
> +	ldr	r4, sdrc_power
> +	ldr	r5, [r4]
> +	bic	r5, r5, #0x40
> +	str	r5, [r4]
> +
> +/*
> + * PC-relative stores lead to undefined behaviour in Thumb-2: use a r7 as a
> + * base instead.
> + * Be careful not to clobber r7 when maintaing this code.
> + */
> +
> +is_dll_in_lock_mode:
> +	/* Is dll in lock mode? */
> +	ldr	r4, sdrc_dlla_ctrl
> +	ldr	r5, [r4]
> +	tst	r5, #0x4
> +	bne	exit_nonoff_modes	@ Return if locked
> +	/* wait till dll locks */
> +	adr	r7, kick_counter
> +wait_dll_lock_timed:
> +	ldr	r4, wait_dll_lock_counter
> +	add	r4, r4, #1
> +	str	r4, [r7, #wait_dll_lock_counter - kick_counter]
> +	ldr	r4, sdrc_dlla_status
> +	/* Wait 20uS for lock */
> +	mov	r6, #8
> +wait_dll_lock:
> +	subs	r6, r6, #0x1
> +	beq	kick_dll
> +	ldr	r5, [r4]
> +	and	r5, r5, #0x4
> +	cmp	r5, #0x4
> +	bne	wait_dll_lock
> +	b	exit_nonoff_modes	@ Return when locked
> +
> +	/* disable/reenable DLL if not locked */
> +kick_dll:
> +	ldr	r4, sdrc_dlla_ctrl
> +	ldr	r5, [r4]
> +	mov	r6, r5
> +	bic	r6, #(1<<3)		@ disable dll
> +	str	r6, [r4]
> +	dsb
> +	orr	r6, r6, #(1<<3)		@ enable dll
> +	str	r6, [r4]
> +	dsb
> +	ldr	r4, kick_counter
> +	add	r4, r4, #1
> +	str	r4, [r7]		@ kick_counter
> +	b	wait_dll_lock_timed
> +
> +exit_nonoff_modes:
> +	/* Re-enable C-bit if needed */
>   	mrc	p15, 0, r0, c1, c0, 0
>   	tst	r0, #(1<<  2)		@ Check C bit enabled?
>   	orreq	r0, r0, #(1<<  2)	@ Enable the C bit if cleared
> @@ -331,6 +442,31 @@ omap3_do_wfi:
>    */
>   	ldmfd	sp!, {r0-r12, pc}	@ restore regs and return
>
> +/*
> + * Local variables
> + */
> +sdrc_power:
> +	.word	SDRC_POWER_V
> +cm_idlest1_core:
> +	.word	CM_IDLEST1_CORE_V
> +cm_idlest_ckgen:
> +	.word	CM_IDLEST_CKGEN_V
> +sdrc_dlla_status:
> +	.word	SDRC_DLLA_STATUS_V
> +sdrc_dlla_ctrl:
> +	.word	SDRC_DLLA_CTRL_V
> +	/*
> +	 * When exporting to userspace while the counters are in SRAM,
> +	 * these 2 words need to be at the end to facilitate retrival!
> +	 */
> +kick_counter:
> +	.word	0
> +wait_dll_lock_counter:
> +	.word	0
> +
> +ENTRY(omap3_do_wfi_sz)
> +	.word	. - omap3_do_wfi
> +
>
>   /*
>    * ==============================
> @@ -346,6 +482,10 @@ omap3_do_wfi:
>    *  restore_es3: applies to 34xx>= ES3.0
>    *  restore_3630: applies to 36xx
>    *  restore: common code for 3xxx
> + *
> + * Note: when back from CORE and MPU OFF mode we are running
> + *  from SDRAM, without MMU, without the caches and prediction.
> + *  Also the SRAM content has been cleared.
>    */
>   restore_es3:
>   	ldr	r5, pm_prepwstst_core_p
> @@ -364,7 +504,8 @@ copy_to_sram:
>   	bne	copy_to_sram
>   	ldr	r1, sram_base
>   	blx	r1
> -	b	restore
> +
> +	b	restore		@ Fall through to common code
>
>   restore_3630:
>   	ldr	r1, pm_prepwstst_core_p
> @@ -574,12 +715,41 @@ usettbr0:
>   restoremmu_on:
>   	ldmfd	sp!, {r0-r12, pc}	@ restore regs and return
>
> +/*
> + * Local variables
> + */
> +pm_prepwstst_core_p:
> +	.word	PM_PREPWSTST_CORE_P
> +pm_pwstctrl_mpu:
> +	.word	PM_PWSTCTRL_MPU_P
> +scratchpad_base:
> +	.word	SCRATCHPAD_BASE_P
> +sram_base:
> +	.word	SRAM_BASE_P + 0x8000
> +ttbrbit_mask:
> +	.word	0xFFFFC000
> +table_index_mask:
> +	.word	0xFFF00000
> +table_entry:
> +	.word	0x00000C02
> +cache_pred_disable_mask:
> +	.word	0xFFFFE7FB
> +control_stat:
> +	.word	CONTROL_STAT
> +control_mem_rta:
> +	.word	CONTROL_MEM_RTA_CTRL
> +l2dis_3630:
> +	.word	0
> +
>
>   /*
>    * Internal functions
>    */
>
> -/* This function implements the erratum ID i443 WA, applies to 34xx>= ES3.0 */
> +/* This function implements the erratum ID i443 WA, applies to 34xx>= ES3.0
> + *
> + * Copied and run from SRAM in order to reconfigure the SDRC parameters.
> + */
>   	.text
>   	.align	3
>   ENTRY(es3_sdrc_fix)
> @@ -609,6 +779,9 @@ ENTRY(es3_sdrc_fix)
>   	str	r5, [r4]		@ kick off refreshes
>   	bx	lr
>
> +/*
> + * Local variables
> + */
>   	.align
>   sdrc_syscfg:
>   	.word	SDRC_SYSCONFIG_P
> @@ -627,128 +800,3 @@ sdrc_manual_1:
>   ENDPROC(es3_sdrc_fix)
>   ENTRY(es3_sdrc_fix_sz)
>   	.word	. - es3_sdrc_fix
> -
> -/*
> - * This function implements the erratum ID i581 WA:
> - *  SDRC state restore before accessing the SDRAM
> - *
> - * Only used at return from non-OFF mode. For OFF
> - * mode the ROM code configures the SDRC and
> - * the DPLL before calling the restore code directly
> - * from DDR.
> - */
> -
> -/* Make sure SDRC accesses are ok */
> -wait_sdrc_ok:
> -
> -/* DPLL3 must be locked before accessing the SDRC. Maybe the HW ensures this */
> -	ldr	r4, cm_idlest_ckgen
> -wait_dpll3_lock:
> -	ldr	r5, [r4]
> -	tst	r5, #1
> -	beq	wait_dpll3_lock
> -
> -	ldr	r4, cm_idlest1_core
> -wait_sdrc_ready:
> -	ldr	r5, [r4]
> -	tst	r5, #0x2
> -	bne	wait_sdrc_ready
> -	/* allow DLL powerdown upon hw idle req */
> -	ldr	r4, sdrc_power
> -	ldr	r5, [r4]
> -	bic	r5, r5, #0x40
> -	str	r5, [r4]
> -
> -/*
> - * PC-relative stores lead to undefined behaviour in Thumb-2: use a r7 as a
> - * base instead.
> - * Be careful not to clobber r7 when maintaing this code.
> - */
> -
> -is_dll_in_lock_mode:
> -	/* Is dll in lock mode? */
> -	ldr	r4, sdrc_dlla_ctrl
> -	ldr	r5, [r4]
> -	tst	r5, #0x4
> -	bxne	lr			@ Return if locked
> -	/* wait till dll locks */
> -	adr	r7, kick_counter
> -wait_dll_lock_timed:
> -	ldr	r4, wait_dll_lock_counter
> -	add	r4, r4, #1
> -	str	r4, [r7, #wait_dll_lock_counter - kick_counter]
> -	ldr	r4, sdrc_dlla_status
> -	/* Wait 20uS for lock */
> -	mov	r6, #8
> -wait_dll_lock:
> -	subs	r6, r6, #0x1
> -	beq	kick_dll
> -	ldr	r5, [r4]
> -	and	r5, r5, #0x4
> -	cmp	r5, #0x4
> -	bne	wait_dll_lock
> -	bx	lr			@ Return when locked
> -
> -	/* disable/reenable DLL if not locked */
> -kick_dll:
> -	ldr	r4, sdrc_dlla_ctrl
> -	ldr	r5, [r4]
> -	mov	r6, r5
> -	bic	r6, #(1<<3)		@ disable dll
> -	str	r6, [r4]
> -	dsb
> -	orr	r6, r6, #(1<<3)		@ enable dll
> -	str	r6, [r4]
> -	dsb
> -	ldr	r4, kick_counter
> -	add	r4, r4, #1
> -	str	r4, [r7]		@ kick_counter
> -	b	wait_dll_lock_timed
> -
> -	.align
> -cm_idlest1_core:
> -	.word	CM_IDLEST1_CORE_V
> -cm_idlest_ckgen:
> -	.word	CM_IDLEST_CKGEN_V
> -sdrc_dlla_status:
> -	.word	SDRC_DLLA_STATUS_V
> -sdrc_dlla_ctrl:
> -	.word	SDRC_DLLA_CTRL_V
> -pm_prepwstst_core_p:
> -	.word	PM_PREPWSTST_CORE_P
> -pm_pwstctrl_mpu:
> -	.word	PM_PWSTCTRL_MPU_P
> -scratchpad_base:
> -	.word	SCRATCHPAD_BASE_P
> -sram_base:
> -	.word	SRAM_BASE_P + 0x8000
> -sdrc_power:
> -	.word	SDRC_POWER_V
> -ttbrbit_mask:
> -	.word	0xFFFFC000
> -table_index_mask:
> -	.word	0xFFF00000
> -table_entry:
> -	.word	0x00000C02
> -cache_pred_disable_mask:
> -	.word	0xFFFFE7FB
> -control_stat:
> -	.word	CONTROL_STAT
> -control_mem_rta:
> -	.word	CONTROL_MEM_RTA_CTRL
> -kernel_flush:
> -	.word	v7_flush_dcache_all
> -l2dis_3630:
> -	.word	0
> -	/*
> -	 * When exporting to userspace while the counters are in SRAM,
> -	 * these 2 words need to be at the end to facilitate retrival!
> -	 */
> -kick_counter:
> -	.word	0
> -wait_dll_lock_counter:
> -	.word	0
> -ENDPROC(omap34xx_cpu_suspend)
> -
> -ENTRY(omap34xx_cpu_suspend_sz)
> -	.word	. - omap34xx_cpu_suspend
> diff --git a/arch/arm/plat-omap/sram.c b/arch/arm/plat-omap/sram.c
> index 6af3d0b..363c91e 100644
> --- a/arch/arm/plat-omap/sram.c
> +++ b/arch/arm/plat-omap/sram.c
> @@ -394,20 +394,15 @@ void omap3_sram_restore_context(void)
>   }
>   #endif /* CONFIG_PM */
>
> -static int __init omap34xx_sram_init(void)
> -{
> -	_omap3_sram_configure_core_dpll =
> -		omap_sram_push(omap3_sram_configure_core_dpll,
> -			       omap3_sram_configure_core_dpll_sz);
> -	omap_push_sram_idle();
> -	return 0;
> -}
> -#else
> +#endif /* CONFIG_ARCH_OMAP3 */
> +
>   static inline int omap34xx_sram_init(void)
>   {
> +#if defined(CONFIG_ARCH_OMAP3)&&  defined(CONFIG_PM)
> +	omap3_sram_restore_context();
> +#endif
>   	return 0;
>   }
> -#endif
>
>   int __init omap_sram_init(void)
>   {


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2011-06-17  8:52 [PATCH] OMAP3: run the ASM sleep code from DDR jean.pihet
2011-06-17  9:51 ` Santosh Shilimkar [this message]
2011-06-24  0:17 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-06-24  8:32   ` Jean Pihet
2011-06-24 14:42     ` Kevin Hilman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-06-29 16:40 jean.pihet
2011-06-29 16:40 ` jean.pihet at newoldbits.com
2011-06-29 17:29 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-06-29 17:29   ` Kevin Hilman
2011-06-29 17:48   ` Jean Pihet
2011-06-29 17:48     ` Jean Pihet
2011-06-29 18:05   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-29 18:05     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-29 19:06     ` Kevin Hilman
2011-06-29 19:06       ` Kevin Hilman
2011-06-29 21:54       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-29 21:54         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-29 23:30         ` Kevin Hilman
2011-06-29 23:30           ` Kevin Hilman
2011-06-29 21:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-29 21:45   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-30  8:55 ` Peter De Schrijver
2011-07-12  6:07 ` Pavel Machek
2011-07-12  6:07   ` Pavel Machek
2011-07-13  8:14   ` Paul Walmsley
2011-07-13  8:14     ` Paul Walmsley

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