From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mga11.intel.com (mga11.intel.com [192.55.52.93]) by mx1.pokylinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6E64C800A3 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:01:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fmsmga002.fm.intel.com ([10.253.24.26]) by fmsmga102.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2011 12:01:20 -0700 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,522,1304319600"; d="scan'208";a="27074729" Received: from unknown (HELO [10.255.14.30]) ([10.255.14.30]) by fmsmga002.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2011 12:01:20 -0700 Message-ID: <4E1C9A00.5060005@linux.intel.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:01:20 -0700 From: Darren Hart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joshua Lock References: <1310496703.2162.17.camel@scimitar> In-Reply-To: <1310496703.2162.17.camel@scimitar> Cc: Yocto discussion list Subject: Re: Supporting upcoming distribution releases X-BeenThere: yocto@yoctoproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of all things Yocto List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:01:21 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 07/12/2011 11:51 AM, Joshua Lock wrote: > In our technical team call today we spent some time discussing how to > support distribution releases that are due to happen around the time of > Yocto 1.1. > > Yocto 1.1 is scheduled for release on October 6th[1], the same month in > which both Ubuntu and Fedora have new releases planned[2,3]. > OpenSUSE doesn't have a release scheduled until November 10th[4]. > > We should accommodate for these releases in our planning around 1.1 as > we need to ensure that Yocto 1.1 can be used on the new versions of the > chosen supported distros. > > I had initially suggested we have people doing test and any relevant > development around the beta cycles of Ubuntu and Fedora: > > Fedora Beta (2011-09-20) > Ubuntu (2011-09-01) > In this time frame OpenSUSE will be on Milestone 5 (2011-09-01) which > afaict (based on the 6th milestone being followed by an RC) should > roughly equate to a beta. > > However this aligns with our RC period at which point we may not want to > accept large patches? > > To meet our stabilise complete goal of August 29th we'd have to have > people testing with: > Fedora Alpha (2011-08-16) > Ubuntu Alpha 3 (2011-08-04) > OpenSUSE Milestone 4 (2011-08-11) > > What are peoples thoughts on this? At the very least a sanity test to know which sorts of issues we'll hit with these would be valuable. However, I believe our policy is N-1, and not N+1,N,N-1, so supporting not-yet released versions isn't something I think we should spend too much time on. Minor fixes to support these post release seem like good candidates for a point release. > I think the onus for this testing > will fall on engineers as the project QA is already pretty stretched. I > have a tendency to update to early releases on at least one machine so > will no doubt do some testing on Fedora but it would be nice to have a > genuine strategy for this rather than relying on ad-hoc developer > upgrades. I personally do not upgrade my primary development machine to pre-release distributions because I don't want those issues to derail me from working on features. However, I could certainly kick off VMs running whatever and set them building on one of our larger servers. > > Final note: I'm left wondering if this emails contents also make sense > as a wiki page? Some sort of distro links for schedule page would be great. If people want to share that they are testing the pre-release distros, that would be useful, but we need to find a way to keep it concise and not into a "getting it to work on XYZ" forum - although that would be useful a separate page per distro. > > Cheers, > Joshua > > 1. https://wiki.pokylinux.org/wiki/Yocto_1.1_Schedule > 2. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule > 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/16/Schedule > 4. http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap -- Darren Hart Intel Open Source Technology Center Yocto Project - Linux Kernel