From: Coly Li <colyli@gmail.com>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>,
Andreas Dilger <aedilger@gmail.com>,
Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
l
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Add inode checksum support to ext4
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 07:52:41 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E35EAC9.6070707@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110731070832.GA2848@noexit.corp.google.com>
On 2011年07月31日 15:08, Joel Becker Wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 03:25:32PM +0800, Coly Li wrote:
>> On 2011年07月29日 21:19, Joel Becker Wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 03:48:45AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
>>>> On 2011-07-28, at 4:07 PM, Joel Becker wrote:
>>>>> We use ethernet crc32 in ocfs2. btrfs uses crc32c. Frankly, I
>>>>> could have used crc32c if I'd really thought about the hardware
>>>>> acceleration benefits. I think it's a good idea for ext4.
>>>>
>>>> The problem with crc32[c] is that if you don't have hardware acceleration
>>>> it is terribly slow.
>>>
>>> We find ethernet crc32 just fine in ocfs2. I use the kernel's
>>> implementation, which survives everyone's network traffic, and of course
>>> we added the triggers to jbd2 so we only have to do the calculations on
>>> read and write.
>>>
>>
>> Ext4 supports non-journal mode, and there are a few users (Google, Taobao, etc.).
>> A trigger of jbd2 may not work well for non-journal Ext4 ...
>>
>> And in non-journal mode, there is not copy of any meta data block in jbd2, we need to be
>> more careful in check summing, e.g. inode/block bitmap blocks...
>
> Sure, but you could use a trigger in journaled mode and then do
> the checksums directly in the __ext4_handle_journal_dirty_*() functions
> in non-journaled mode. Sure, it would be a little more CPU time, but
> the user picked "checksums + no journal" at mkfs time.
>
Yes, my idea was similar to you.
One thing not clear to me is, in non-journal mode, how to make the page of bitmap block being stable. Because bits
setting in Ext4 bitmap is non-locking, it might be possible that new bit setting after check sum is calculated.
Coly
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From: Coly Li <colyli@gmail.com>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>,
Andreas Dilger <aedilger@gmail.com>,
Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Add inode checksum support to ext4
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 07:52:41 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E35EAC9.6070707@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110731070832.GA2848@noexit.corp.google.com>
On 2011年07月31日 15:08, Joel Becker Wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 03:25:32PM +0800, Coly Li wrote:
>> On 2011年07月29日 21:19, Joel Becker Wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 03:48:45AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
>>>> On 2011-07-28, at 4:07 PM, Joel Becker wrote:
>>>>> We use ethernet crc32 in ocfs2. btrfs uses crc32c. Frankly, I
>>>>> could have used crc32c if I'd really thought about the hardware
>>>>> acceleration benefits. I think it's a good idea for ext4.
>>>>
>>>> The problem with crc32[c] is that if you don't have hardware acceleration
>>>> it is terribly slow.
>>>
>>> We find ethernet crc32 just fine in ocfs2. I use the kernel's
>>> implementation, which survives everyone's network traffic, and of course
>>> we added the triggers to jbd2 so we only have to do the calculations on
>>> read and write.
>>>
>>
>> Ext4 supports non-journal mode, and there are a few users (Google, Taobao, etc.).
>> A trigger of jbd2 may not work well for non-journal Ext4 ...
>>
>> And in non-journal mode, there is not copy of any meta data block in jbd2, we need to be
>> more careful in check summing, e.g. inode/block bitmap blocks...
>
> Sure, but you could use a trigger in journaled mode and then do
> the checksums directly in the __ext4_handle_journal_dirty_*() functions
> in non-journaled mode. Sure, it would be a little more CPU time, but
> the user picked "checksums + no journal" at mkfs time.
>
Yes, my idea was similar to you.
One thing not clear to me is, in non-journal mode, how to make the page of bitmap block being stable. Because bits
setting in Ext4 bitmap is non-locking, it might be possible that new bit setting after check sum is calculated.
Coly
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-07-31 23:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-04-06 22:44 [PATCH 0/2] Add inode checksum support to ext4 Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-06 22:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] ext4: Calculate and verify inode checksums Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-07 0:52 ` Sunil Mushran
2011-04-07 16:40 ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-07 17:10 ` Sunil Mushran
2011-04-08 18:50 ` Joel Becker
2011-04-08 19:30 ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-08 19:30 ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-08 8:58 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-08 19:12 ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-08 22:49 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-06 22:47 ` [PATCH 2/2] e2fsprogs: Add support for toggling, verifying, and fixing " Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-08 9:14 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-08 19:25 ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-08 23:13 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-12 2:05 ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-08 19:27 ` [PATCH 0/2] Add inode checksum support to ext4 Mingming Cao
2011-04-08 20:17 ` Joel Becker
2011-04-09 0:04 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-07-27 8:27 ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-07-27 9:16 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-07-28 16:56 ` Darrick J. Wong
[not found] ` <CAOQ4uxiOpwX2-Nfh9wJ7wSmAnbj9bh1+d9C95-N5D-8saRr6ww@mail.gmail.com>
2011-07-28 18:57 ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-07-29 9:55 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-07-28 22:07 ` Joel Becker
2011-07-29 9:48 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-07-29 13:19 ` Joel Becker
2011-07-30 7:25 ` Coly Li
2011-07-30 7:25 ` Coly Li
2011-07-31 7:08 ` Joel Becker
2011-07-31 7:08 ` Joel Becker
2011-07-31 23:52 ` Coly Li [this message]
2011-07-31 23:52 ` Coly Li
2011-08-01 4:57 ` Joel Becker
2011-08-01 4:57 ` Joel Becker
2011-08-01 5:04 ` Joel Becker
2011-08-01 5:04 ` Joel Becker
2011-08-01 7:16 ` Coly Li
2011-08-01 7:16 ` Coly Li
2011-04-20 17:40 ` Andi Kleen
2011-04-20 22:54 ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-21 0:25 ` Andreas Dilger
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