From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Lars Kurth Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Re: Xen document day (Oct 12 or 26) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 02:17:55 +0000 Message-ID: <4EAF56D3.706@xen.org> References: <4E92D809.9000504@xen.org> <20111010160404.GB28646@phenom.oracle.com> <4E946EB9.7050209@xen.org> <20111013180244.GC15499@phenom.oracle.com> <5400260811821008556@unknownmsgid> <1318859996.16132.16.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com> <4E9C4516.2070902@xen.org> <1318864667.16132.22.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com> <4E9C4BAB.9020605@xen.org> <20111026195543.GA6558@phenom.dumpdata.com> <4EA932D5.3060504@xen.org> <4EAAA467.2030503@xen.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xen-devel-bounces@lists.xensource.com Errors-To: xen-devel-bounces@lists.xensource.com To: Florian Heigl Cc: "xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" , Ian Campbell , Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk , Andrew Bobulsky , Joseph Glanville , "xen-users@lists.xensource.com" List-Id: xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org Note that mediawiki allows pages to be in several categories. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Categories > I think the main issues (mess) with the old wiki were: > - not being able to contact someone if information is incorrect / outdated We would need category and page owners for this. I will have to think about this. > - noone looking into pages that had become outdated Agreed. I think we also faced the issue that we didn't know what was outdated. That makes fixing it a harder problem > - not looking for pages that might be outdated Categories and attention boxes should help > - most of the pages being immutable so you couldn't even fix stuff. That is a MoinMoin feature (which should be resolved with MediaWiki). The MoinMoin spamming protection is extremely primitive. > So if we limit edit rights to certain user groups that is not a > problem, as long as the groups are big enough to maintain the > categories. MediaWiki has quite fine grained user control. I will have to think about how to set this up, but my gut feel is we should have: - Admins - Editors (get notified when people make changes, owners of categories) - Authors (anybody with an account) > Also it might be helpful to use a release mechanism - if any > registered user can create pages, but they stay invisible until > approval then this would save a lot of time for the regular authors > and still keep up quality. (Thats working really well in my > experience) I think that is not advisable. I rather go for the WikiPedia approach, where wrong changes are reverted by editors. I think we should try with an open model and make it more restrictive it the open model doesn't work Regards Lars On 30/10/2011 20:58, Florian Heigl wrote: > Hi Lars, > > 2011/10/28 Lars Kurth: >> There may be a few more. Will need to work on these a little more. It may >> also mean that the MediWiki instance is set up that pages must have a >> category and that only a subset of users can create new ones. Otherwise we >> get into the same mess again. > I think the main issues (mess) with the old wiki were: > - not being able to contact someone if information is incorrect / outdated > - noone looking into pages that had become outdated > - not looking for pages that might be outdated > - most of the pages being immutable so you couldn't even fix stuff. > > So if we limit edit rights to certain user groups that is not a > problem, as long as the groups are big enough to maintain the > categories. > Also it might be helpful to use a release mechanism - if any > registered user can create pages, but they stay invisible until > approval then this would save a lot of time for the regular authors > and still keep up quality. (Thats working really well in my > experience) > > Greetings > Florian