From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Brian Ross Subject: I'd like to turn auditd off but... Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:04:07 +0800 Message-ID: <6BE4AAFB10DD834E8F60D36312048EAA0191691E44EF@PDCPXMB003.asggroup.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_004_6BE4AAFB10DD834E8F60D36312048EAA0191691E44EFPDCPXMB003a_" Return-path: Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx13.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.18]) by int-mx02.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pAM14NTd014573 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:04:23 -0500 Received: from cao018mcs.asggroup.com.au (Ns2.asggroup.com.au [203.176.101.3]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAM14CGf003230 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:04:14 -0500 Content-Language: en-US List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: linux-audit-bounces@redhat.com Errors-To: linux-audit-bounces@redhat.com To: "linux-audit@redhat.com" List-Id: linux-audit@redhat.com --_004_6BE4AAFB10DD834E8F60D36312048EAA0191691E44EFPDCPXMB003a_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6BE4AAFB10DD834E8F60D36312048EAA0191691E44EFPDCPXMB003a_" --_000_6BE4AAFB10DD834E8F60D36312048EAA0191691E44EFPDCPXMB003a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a client who is still running RHEL3. Over the last 12 months the au= ditd process has become steadily more and more intrusive and causing proble= ms. I have attempted to turn it off but whenever I do so, suddenly SSH lo= gins stop working. At the moment the only way I have to manage the auditd process is to regula= rly delete the 2+GB of log files it creates every 4 hours. Can anybody te= ll me how to turn it off without affecting other things? Cheers Brian Ross Brian Ross Technical Consultant ASG Group Limited Level 1 / 267 St Georges Tce. Perth, WA, 6000 Telephone +61 8 9420 5451 Mobile +61 0434 181 701 Facsimile +61 8 9420 5422 Brian.Ross@asggroup.com.au http://www.asggroup.com.au/ [cid:image001.gif@01CBB23E.C8A47A50] Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this message is strict= ly confidential. It is intended only for the use of the individual or entit= y named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, or the authoris= ed agent thereof, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, use, distrib= ution or copying of the within information is strictly prohibited. If you h= ave received this message in error, please notify us immediately by telepho= ne and delete all copies of the original message. * PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU PRINT THIS E-MAIL --_000_6BE4AAFB10DD834E8F60D36312048EAA0191691E44EFPDCPXMB003a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a client who is still running RHEL3.  Over the last 12 mon= ths the auditd process has become steadily more and more intrusive and caus= ing problems.   I have attempted to turn it off but whenever I do= so, suddenly SSH logins stop working.
 
At the moment the only way I have to manage the auditd process is to r= egularly delete the 2+GB of log files it creates every 4 hours. &n= bsp; Can anybody tell me how to turn it off without affecting other things?=
 
Cheers
 
Brian Ross
 
Brian Ross
Technical Consultant

ASG Group Limited
Level 1 / 267 St Georges Tce.
Perth, WA, 6000
Telephone      = ;      +61 8 9420 5451
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Smoogen Subject: Re: I'd like to turn auditd off but... Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:12:57 -0700 Message-ID: References: <6BE4AAFB10DD834E8F60D36312048EAA0191691E44EF@PDCPXMB003.asggroup.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2936780136041407116==" Return-path: Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx12.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.17]) by int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pAM1D600018835 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:13:06 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f174.google.com (mail-ey0-f174.google.com [209.85.215.174]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAM1CvQ1013481 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:12:58 -0500 Received: by eye27 with SMTP id 27so8370148eye.33 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:12:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6BE4AAFB10DD834E8F60D36312048EAA0191691E44EF@PDCPXMB003.asggroup.com.au> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: linux-audit-bounces@redhat.com Errors-To: linux-audit-bounces@redhat.com Cc: "linux-audit@redhat.com" List-Id: linux-audit@redhat.com --===============2936780136041407116== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53d5ec9ed84e904b24880ac --bcaec53d5ec9ed84e904b24880ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 21 November 2011 18:04, Brian Ross wrote: > I have a client who is still running RHEL3. Over the last 12 months the > auditd process has become steadily more and more intrusive and causing > problems. I have attempted to turn it off but whenever I do so, suddenly > SSH logins stop working. > > At the moment the only way I have to manage the auditd process is to > regularly delete the 2+GB of log files it creates every 4 hours. Can > anybody tell me how to turn it off without affecting other things? > > I would say that your user has other problems that need to be addressed before you can turn off audit. 1) Audit doesn't have anything to do with sshd that I can remember in RHEL-3. So if one is turning off the other.. then I would start looking at compromised system. 2) 2GB every 4 hours means there is something really wrong. Again I would say its either compromised system or hardware issue. -- Stephen J Smoogen. "The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance." Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University. "Let us be kind, one to another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle." -- Ian MacLaren --bcaec53d5ec9ed84e904b24880ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 21 November 2011 18:04, Brian Ross <Brian.Ros= s@asggroup.com.au> wrote:
I have a client who is still running RHEL3.=A0 Over the last 12 months= the auditd process has become steadily more and more intrusive and causing= problems.=A0=A0 I have attempted to turn it off but whenever I do so, sudd= enly SSH logins stop working.
=A0
At the moment the only way I have to manage the auditd process is to r= egularly delete the 2+GB of log files it creates every 4 hours.=A0=A0 Can a= nybody tell me how to turn it off without affecting other things?
=A0

I would say that your user has other problems th= at need to be addressed before you can turn off audit.

1) Audit doesn't have anything to do with sshd that I can remember= in RHEL-3. So if one is turning off the other.. then I would start looking= at compromised system.
2) 2GB every 4 hours means there is somet= hing really wrong. Again I would say its either compromised system or hardw= are issue.=A0

--
Stephen J Smoogen.
"The core skill of i= nnovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance."
Randy Nelson, = President of Pixar University.
"Let us be kind, one to another, for= most of us are fighting a hard
battle." -- Ian MacLaren

--bcaec53d5ec9ed84e904b24880ac-- --===============2936780136041407116== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --===============2936780136041407116==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Linda Knippers Subject: Re: I'd like to turn auditd off but... Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:30:52 -0500 Message-ID: <4ECB095C.9040203@hp.com> References: <6BE4AAFB10DD834E8F60D36312048EAA0191691E44EF@PDCPXMB003.asggroup.com.au> Reply-To: linda.knippers@hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx14.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.19]) by int-mx09.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAM36hVG004398 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:06:43 -0500 Received: from g6t0184.atlanta.hp.com (g6t0184.atlanta.hp.com [15.193.32.61]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAM36ZZi012378 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:06:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <6BE4AAFB10DD834E8F60D36312048EAA0191691E44EF@PDCPXMB003.asggroup.com.au> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: linux-audit-bounces@redhat.com Errors-To: linux-audit-bounces@redhat.com To: Brian Ross Cc: "linux-audit@redhat.com" List-Id: linux-audit@redhat.com Brian Ross wrote: > I have a client who is still running RHEL3. Over the last 12 months the auditd process > has become steadily more and more intrusive and causing problems. I have attempted to > turn it off but whenever I do so, suddenly SSH logins stop working. > > At the moment the only way I have to manage the auditd process is to regularly delete > the 2+GB of log files it creates every 4 hours. Can anybody tell me how to turn it > off without affecting other things? If other services stop running when you turn off auditing, that probably means that those services are configured to audit their activity and to fail if they can't audit. The audit subsystem in RHEL3 was based on the LAuS subsystem and is different from more modern releases. The configuration guide HP posted when we did our common criteria evaluation for RHEL3 is posted here: http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/downloads/HP-RHEL-EAL3-Configuration-Guide.pdf It describes LAuS, its configuration files and the pam configuration that might be in use. By fiddling with the pam_laus.so configuration in the various /etc/pamd.d/files, you may be able to disable or relax the audit requirement. There are also options that tell the LAuS auditd to reuse audit files rather than consuming more space, so you might want to check those. It sounds like you've got something wrong, either with the system or the audit rules you're using, if you're generating that much audit traffic so if you actually do want to run audit, then you might check the rules and investigate why you're getting so much traffic. Yeah, I'm stating the obvious. :-) -- ljk > > Cheers > > Brian Ross > > Brian Ross > Technical Consultant > > ASG Group Limited > Level 1 / 267 St Georges Tce. > Perth, WA, 6000 > Telephone +61 8 9420 5451 > Mobile +61 0434 181 701 > Facsimile +61 8 9420 5422 > Brian.Ross@asggroup.com.au > http://www.asggroup.com.au/ > > [cid:image001.gif@01CBB23E.C8A47A50] > Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this message is strictly confidential. It is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, or the authorised agent thereof, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, use, distribution or copying of the within information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and delete all copies of the original message. > * PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU PRINT THIS E-MAIL > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Linux-audit mailing list > Linux-audit@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-audit