From: AndrewL733 <AndrewL733@aol.com>
To: "Rafał Miłecki" <zajec5@gmail.com>
Cc: Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Trouble with Macbook Pro 8,2 (broadcom 4331) and latest b43
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 14:06:32 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ED921B8.6060107@aol.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ED9152F.5060104@aol.com>
Hi
>
> After unininstalling Network Manager, I can now get a reliable
> connection to my office network by running
>
> "iwconfig wlan0 essid mynetworkname", then
> "wpa_supplicant -Dwext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf" (to not
> run in the background)
> "dhclient wlan0"
>
> Now the connection is stable. The question is, why is it unstable
> with Network Manager? Any ideas? Is it related to the way Network
> Manager is working with the 4331 chipset? I have an identical
> Mandriva 2011 OS installed on a slightly older Macbook Pro 5,1 with
> the Broadcom 4322 chipset, also using the b43 driver, and Network
> Manager does not cause these disconnections. Is there another forum
> where it would be better to post this question?
>
The problem is definitely with Network Manager. Re-installing Network
Manager causes the same disconnection problem again, even when running
wpa_supplicant manually. Who should I report this to?
wpa on the command line:
[root@andynewmac andy]# wpa_supplicant -Dwext -i wlan0 -c
/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED bssid=00:00:00:00:00:00 reason=0
ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN]: Device or resource busy
Failed to initiate AP scan.
ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN]: Device or resource busy
Failed to initiate AP scan.
Trying to associate with 48:5b:39:5b:67:27 (SSID='es-network2' freq=2412
MHz)
Associated with 48:5b:39:5b:67:27
WPA: Key negotiation completed with 48:5b:39:5b:67:27 [PTK=CCMP GTK=TKIP]
CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to 48:5b:39:5b:67:27 completed (auth)
[id=1 id_str=]
CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED bssid=48:5b:39:5b:67:27 reason=0
ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN]: Device or resource busy
Failed to initiate AP scan.
ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN]: Device or resource busy
Failed to initiate AP scan.
Trying to associate with 48:5b:39:5b:67:27 (SSID='es-network2' freq=2412
MHz)
Associated with 48:5b:39:5b:67:27
WPA: Key negotiation completed with 48:5b:39:5b:67:27 [PTK=CCMP GTK=TKIP]
CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to 48:5b:39:5b:67:27 completed
(reauth) [id=1 id_str=]
CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED bssid=48:5b:39:5b:67:27 reason=0
ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN]: Device or resource busy
Failed to initiate AP scan.
ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN]: Device or resource busy
Failed to initiate AP scan.
Trying to associate with 48:5b:39:5b:67:27 (SSID='es-network2' freq=2412
MHz)
Associated with 48:5b:39:5b:67:27
WPA: Invalid EAPOL-Key MIC when using TPTK - ignoring TPTK
WPA: Could not verify EAPOL-Key MIC - dropping packet
Authentication with 48:5b:39:5b:67:27 timed out.
CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED bssid=00:00:00:00:00:00 reason=0
Trying to associate with 48:5b:39:5b:67:27 (SSID='es-network2' freq=2412
MHz)
Associated with 48:5b:39:5b:67:27
WPA: Key negotiation completed with 48:5b:39:5b:67:27 [PTK=CCMP GTK=TKIP]
CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to 48:5b:39:5b:67:27 completed
(reauth) [id=1 id_str=]
In /var/log/messages:
Dec 2 18:47:06 andynewmac kernel: [ 211.957785] cfg80211: Calling CRDA
to update world regulatory domain
Dec 2 18:47:06 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: completed -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:06 andynewmac kernel: [ 211.961641] cfg80211: World
regulatory domain updated:
Dec 2 18:47:06 andynewmac kernel: [ 211.961643] cfg80211:
(start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp)
Dec 2 18:47:06 andynewmac kernel: [ 211.961646] cfg80211: (2402000
KHz - 2472000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
Dec 2 18:47:06 andynewmac kernel: [ 211.961648] cfg80211: (2457000
KHz - 2482000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
Dec 2 18:47:06 andynewmac kernel: [ 211.961650] cfg80211: (2474000
KHz - 2494000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
Dec 2 18:47:06 andynewmac kernel: [ 211.961651] cfg80211: (5170000
KHz - 5250000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
Dec 2 18:47:06 andynewmac kernel: [ 211.961653] cfg80211: (5735000
KHz - 5835000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
Dec 2 18:47:06 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:06 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:07 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:07 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:07 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> associating
Dec 2 18:47:07 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: associating -> associated
Dec 2 18:47:07 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: associated -> 4-way handshake
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac kernel: [ 213.594392] cfg80211: Calling CRDA
to update world regulatory domain
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: 4-way handshake -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac kernel: [ 213.598387] cfg80211: World
regulatory domain updated:
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac kernel: [ 213.598390] cfg80211:
(start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp)
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac kernel: [ 213.598392] cfg80211: (2402000
KHz - 2472000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac kernel: [ 213.598394] cfg80211: (2457000
KHz - 2482000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac kernel: [ 213.598396] cfg80211: (2474000
KHz - 2494000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac kernel: [ 213.598398] cfg80211: (5170000
KHz - 5250000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac kernel: [ 213.598400] cfg80211: (5735000
KHz - 5835000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac avahi-daemon[2391]: Interface wlan0.IPv4 no
longer relevant for mDNS.
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac avahi-daemon[2391]: Leaving mDNS multicast
group on interface wlan0.IPv4 with address 10.42.66.138.
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac dhclient: receive_packet failed on wlan0:
Network is down
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac avahi-daemon[2391]: Withdrawing address
record for 10.42.66.138 on wlan0.
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:08 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:09 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:09 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:10 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:10 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:11 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:11 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:12 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:12 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:12 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0): roamed
from BSSID 48:5B:39:5B:67:27 (es-network2) to (none) ((none))
Dec 2 18:47:13 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:13 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:14 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:14 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:14 andynewmac drakconf.real[9067]: ### Program is starting ###
Dec 2 18:47:15 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:15 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:16 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:16 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:17 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:17 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:18 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:18 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:18 andynewmac drakconf.real[9354]: ### Program is starting ###
Dec 2 18:47:19 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:19 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:20 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:20 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac rpmdrake[9366]: ### Program is starting ###
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> disconnected
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0): device
state change: 8 -> 3 (reason 11)
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
deactivating device (reason: 11).
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
canceled DHCP transaction, DHCP client pid 8334
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
removing resolv.conf from /sbin/resolvconf
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) starting connection 'System es-network2'
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0): device
state change: 3 -> 4 (reason 0)
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) scheduled...
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) started...
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) scheduled...
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) complete.
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) starting...
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0): device
state change: 4 -> 5 (reason 0)
Dec 2 18:47:21 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
bringing up device.
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac kernel: [ 227.305220] b43-phy0: Loading
firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac kernel: [ 227.345070] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP):
wlan0: link is not ready
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0/wireless): access point 'System es-network2' has security, but
secrets are required.
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0): device
state change: 5 -> 6 (reason 0)
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete.
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) scheduled...
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) started...
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0): device
state change: 6 -> 4 (reason 0)
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) scheduled...
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) complete.
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) starting...
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0): device
state change: 4 -> 5 (reason 0)
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0/wireless): connection 'System es-network2' has security, and
secrets exist. No new secrets needed.
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Config: added
'ssid' value 'es-network2'
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Config: added
'scan_ssid' value '1'
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Config: added
'key_mgmt' value 'WPA-PSK'
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Config: added
'psk' value '<omitted>'
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Config: added
'proto' value 'WPA RSN'
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete.
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Config: set
interface ap_scan to 1
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: disconnected -> scanning
Dec 2 18:47:22 andynewmac rpmdrake[9366]: opening the RPM database
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: scanning -> associating
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac kernel: [ 228.848305]
ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: associating -> associated
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: associated -> 4-way handshake
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: 4-way handshake -> group handshake
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0):
supplicant connection state: group handshake -> completed
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0/wireless) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) successful. Connected
to wireless network 'es-network2'.
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) scheduled.
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) started...
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0): device
state change: 5 -> 7 (reason 0)
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Beginning DHCPv4 transaction (timeout in 45 seconds)
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> dhclient started
with pid 9446
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) complete.
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac dhclient: Internet Systems Consortium DHCP
Client 4.2.1-P1
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac dhclient: Copyright 2004-2011 Internet
Systems Consortium.
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac dhclient: All rights reserved.
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac dhclient: For info, please visit
https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac dhclient:
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0): DHCPv4
state changed nbi -> preinit
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac dhclient: Listening on
LPF/wlan0/68:a8:6d:24:e7:0a
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac dhclient: Sending on
LPF/wlan0/68:a8:6d:24:e7:0a
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac dhclient: Sending on Socket/fallback
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on wlan0 to
255.255.255.255 port 67
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac dhclient: DHCPACK from 10.42.66.1
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac dhclient: bound to 10.42.66.138 -- renewal in
127382 seconds.
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0): DHCPv4
state changed preinit -> reboot
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP4 Configure Get) scheduled...
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP4 Configure Get) started...
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> address
10.42.66.138
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> prefix 24
(255.255.255.0)
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> gateway 10.42.66.1
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> hostname
'andynewmac'
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> nameserver
'10.42.66.1'
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> domain name
'editshare.boston'
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Scheduling stage 5
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) scheduled...
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Done scheduling
stage 5
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP4 Configure Get) complete.
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) started...
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac avahi-daemon[2391]: Joining mDNS multicast
group on interface wlan0.IPv4 with address 10.42.66.138.
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac avahi-daemon[2391]: New relevant interface
wlan0.IPv4 for mDNS.
Dec 2 18:47:23 andynewmac avahi-daemon[2391]: Registering new address
record for 10.42.66.138 on wlan0.IPv4.
Dec 2 18:47:24 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0): writing
resolv.conf to /sbin/resolvconf
Dec 2 18:47:24 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> (wlan0): device
state change: 7 -> 8 (reason 0)
Dec 2 18:47:24 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Policy set
'System es-network2' (wlan0) as default for IPv4 routing and DNS.
Dec 2 18:47:24 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) successful, device activated.
Dec 2 18:47:24 andynewmac NetworkManager[2513]: <info> Activation
(wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) complete.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-12-02 19:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-28 15:21 Trouble with Macbook Pro 8,2 (broadcom 4331) and latest b43 AndrewL733
2011-11-28 15:59 ` Rafał Miłecki
2011-11-28 16:02 ` Rafał Miłecki
2011-11-28 16:13 ` Larry Finger
[not found] ` <4ED3FA65.7010104@aol.com>
2011-11-29 5:22 ` Rafał Miłecki
2011-11-29 18:00 ` AndrewL733
2011-11-29 18:54 ` Making Progress " AndrewL733
2011-11-29 19:17 ` Larry Finger
[not found] ` <4ED5535E.50605@aol.com>
2011-11-29 23:42 ` Larry Finger
2011-11-30 6:08 ` Rafał Miłecki
2011-12-02 18:13 ` AndrewL733
2011-12-02 18:24 ` Dan Williams
2011-12-02 19:06 ` AndrewL733 [this message]
2011-12-02 19:40 ` Dan Williams
2011-12-02 20:01 ` AndrewL733
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