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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>, Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 06/16] apic: Introduce backend/frontend infrastructure for KVM reuse
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:54:05 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EF0937D.3090207@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EF092D2.6080009@redhat.com>

On 12/20/2011 07:51 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 12/20/2011 02:41 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> On 12/20/2011 03:56 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> On 12/20/2011 02:38 AM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>>> That was v1 of my patches. Avi didn't like it, I tried it like this,
>>>>> and
>>>>> in the end I had to agree. So, no, I don't think we want such a model.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, we do :-)
>>>>
>>>> The in-kernel APIC is a different implementation of the APIC device.
>>>> It's not an "accelerator" for the userspace APIC.
>>>
>>> A different implementation but not a different device. Device == spec.
>>
>> If it was hardware, it'd be a fully compatible clone. The way we would
>> model this is via inheritance.
>
> I see your fully compatible clone, and I raise my bridge with a different
> implementation underneath. It's the same old debate on is-a vs has-a.
>
> In QOM parlance Jan implemented this:
>
> abstract class Object
> abstract class Device
> class APIC: { backend: link<APICBackend> }
> abstract class APICBackend
> class QEMU_APICBackend
> class KVM_APICBackend

I don't fundamentally object to modeling it like this provided that it's modeled 
(and visible) through qdev and not done through a one-off infrastructure.

But yes, you are exactly correct in your observation (and that both can be right).

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> and you're proposing this:
>
> abstract class Object
> abstract class Device
> abstract class APIC
> class QEMU_APIC
> class KVM_APIC
>
> Both can be right, both can be wrong.
>
> Paolo
>
>


  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-20 13:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-15 12:33 [PATCH v5 00/16] uq/master: Introduce basic irqchip support Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 01/16] msi: Generalize msix_supported to msi_supported Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 02/16] kvm: Move kvmclock into hw/kvm folder Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 03/16] apic: Stop timer on reset Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 04/16] apic: Inject external NMI events via LINT1 Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 05/16] apic: Introduce apic_report_irq_delivered Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 06/16] apic: Introduce backend/frontend infrastructure for KVM reuse Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-19 22:14   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-19 22:14     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-19 23:32     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-19 23:32       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  0:28       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20  0:32         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  0:38           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20  9:56             ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-20  9:56               ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-20 13:41               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20 13:51                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-12-20 13:51                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-12-20 13:54                   ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-12-20 13:57                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-12-20 14:07                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20 17:02                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20 17:02                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20 19:14                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20 21:23                             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20 21:38                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20 21:45                                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20 21:55                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20 22:20                                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20 22:20                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20 23:41                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20 23:45                                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20 14:07                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-20 14:07                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 07/16] apic: Open-code timer save/restore Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-19 22:21   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-19 22:21     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-12-19 23:45     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-19 23:45       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  0:31       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20  0:34         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  0:34           ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  0:53           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20  0:53             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20  1:24             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  1:24               ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 08/16] i8259: Introduce backend/frontend infrastructure for KVM reuse Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 09/16] ioapic: " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 10/16] memory: Introduce memory_region_init_reservation Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 11/16] kvm: Introduce core services for in-kernel irqchip support Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 12/16] kvm: x86: Establish IRQ0 override control Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 13/16] kvm: x86: Add user space part for in-kernel APIC Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 14/16] kvm: x86: Add user space part for in-kernel i8259 Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 15/16] kvm: x86: Add user space part for in-kernel IOAPIC Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33 ` [PATCH v5 16/16] kvm: Arm in-kernel irqchip support Jan Kiszka
2011-12-15 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-19 21:17 ` [PATCH v5 00/16] uq/master: Introduce basic " Marcelo Tosatti
2011-12-19 21:17   ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2011-12-19 22:24   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-19 22:24     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-19 23:49     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-19 23:49       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  0:32       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20  0:37         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  0:42           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20  0:42             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20 10:01             ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-20 10:01               ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-20  1:08           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20  1:19             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  1:19               ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  1:28               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  1:28                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  2:46               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20  3:10                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-20  8:34                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20  8:34                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-12-20 10:03                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-20 10:03                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-12-20 10:08                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-20 10:08                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-20 13:45                     ` Anthony Liguori

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