From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_F=E4rber?= Subject: Re: KVM call agenda for Tuesday 3 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:10:15 +0100 Message-ID: <4F030C47.1090001@suse.de> References: <87ehvis3uj.fsf@trasno.mitica> <20120103083325.GA19152@stefanha-thinkpad.localdomain> <4F02F146.4010705@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chris Wright , Bing Bu Cao , KVM devel mailing list , Juan Quintela , dlaor@redhat.com, Developers qemu-devel , Vadim Rozenfeld , hkran To: Stefan Hajnoczi Return-path: In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+gceq-qemu-devel=gmane.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+gceq-qemu-devel=gmane.org@nongnu.org List-Id: kvm.vger.kernel.org Am 03.01.2012 14:12, schrieb Stefan Hajnoczi: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Dor Laor wrote: >> There is a legal issue w/ WHQL drivers but self sign is not a probably= and I >> believe that's what we have today. >=20 > For a user anything other than first-class native drivers is a red > flag that this software may work poorly - on modern Windows that means > properly signed drivers. >=20 > Although signing might seem like a secondary issue I think it's what > actually has stopped us from growing a community around the virtio > Windows drivers. There are very few people who can help because a > development environment where you can only contribute patches but not > build the code fully takes the fun away. >=20 > Basically I'm asking: is there a way we can do the virtio Windows > driver development more in public, in the community, so that we will > grow stronger in KVM Windows guest support? Well, that's why we're putting effort into AHCI emulation. It's almost as fast for hard disks and has native driver support, avoiding the whole WHQL issue and providing a much nicer user experience. Andreas --=20 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 N=FCrnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imend=F6rffer; HRB 16746 AG N=FCrnbe= rg From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:57178) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri55d-00005t-Va for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:11:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri55c-0001qP-O4 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:11:45 -0500 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:38037 helo=mx2.suse.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri55c-0001q8-Dj for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:11:44 -0500 Message-ID: <4F030C47.1090001@suse.de> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:10:15 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_F=E4rber?= MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87ehvis3uj.fsf@trasno.mitica> <20120103083325.GA19152@stefanha-thinkpad.localdomain> <4F02F146.4010705@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for Tuesday 3 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Stefan Hajnoczi Cc: Chris Wright , Bing Bu Cao , KVM devel mailing list , Juan Quintela , dlaor@redhat.com, Developers qemu-devel , Vadim Rozenfeld , hkran Am 03.01.2012 14:12, schrieb Stefan Hajnoczi: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Dor Laor wrote: >> There is a legal issue w/ WHQL drivers but self sign is not a probably= and I >> believe that's what we have today. >=20 > For a user anything other than first-class native drivers is a red > flag that this software may work poorly - on modern Windows that means > properly signed drivers. >=20 > Although signing might seem like a secondary issue I think it's what > actually has stopped us from growing a community around the virtio > Windows drivers. There are very few people who can help because a > development environment where you can only contribute patches but not > build the code fully takes the fun away. >=20 > Basically I'm asking: is there a way we can do the virtio Windows > driver development more in public, in the community, so that we will > grow stronger in KVM Windows guest support? Well, that's why we're putting effort into AHCI emulation. It's almost as fast for hard disks and has native driver support, avoiding the whole WHQL issue and providing a much nicer user experience. Andreas --=20 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 N=FCrnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imend=F6rffer; HRB 16746 AG N=FCrnbe= rg