From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from relay1.mentorg.com ([192.94.38.131]) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RkfYP-0004qP-Fz for openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:32:09 +0100 Received: from svr-orw-fem-01.mgc.mentorg.com ([147.34.98.93]) by relay1.mentorg.com with esmtp id 1RkfR9-000506-Hb from Sean_Hudson@mentor.com for openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 09:24:39 -0800 Received: from SVR-ORW-FEM-02.mgc.mentorg.com ([147.34.96.206]) by svr-orw-fem-01.mgc.mentorg.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 10 Jan 2012 09:24:39 -0800 Received: from NA-MBX-02.mgc.mentorg.com ([169.254.2.234]) by SVR-ORW-FEM-02.mgc.mentorg.com ([147.34.96.168]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 09:24:38 -0800 From: "Hudson, Sean" To: "openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org" Thread-Topic: RFC: Joint, monthly, and online forum for developer discussion Thread-Index: AczPus/aF+QsHJWhRgaYS5qd2Oz1qg== Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:24:38 +0000 Message-ID: <289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52F10@NA-MBX-02.mgc.mentorg.com> Accept-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.34.91.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2012 17:24:39.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB97C9B0:01CCCFBC] Subject: RFC: Joint, monthly, and online forum for developer discussion X-BeenThere: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer List-Id: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:32:09 -0000 Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52F10NAMBX02mgcmento_" --_000_289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52F10NAMBX02mgcmento_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I propose having a monthly, online developer forum that promotes discussion= on longer term technical issues that impact both Yocto and OpenEmbedded. = This would supplement the already existing mailing list and irc communicati= on channels. In order to facilitate this, I'd like to propose a telephone/= web conference, which my employer has agreed to host. This forum would help provide an additional way for the community to discus= s technical issues and share information about planned work and works in pr= ogress. Initial Topics for Discussion might include: 1. layering definitions - discussion on what exists today and how to ma= ke it better 2. discussions on techniques to make working with oe/yocto better 3. oe/yocto disconnects (opportunities for better alignment) 4. common new user issues 5. documentation (standards, lacks, etc) 6. ? Regards, Sean Sean Hudson | Embedded Linux Architect for Mentor Embedded Linux Mentor Graphics - Embedded Software Division(tm) --_000_289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52F10NAMBX02mgcmento_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I propose having a monthly, online developer foru= m that promotes discussion on longer term technical issues that impact both= Yocto and OpenEmbedded.  This would supplement the already existing m= ailing list and irc communication channels.  In order to facilitate this, I’d like to propose a telephone/web con= ference, which my employer has agreed to host.

 

This forum would help provide an additional way f= or the community to discuss technical issues and share information about pl= anned work and works in progress.

 

Initial Topics for Discussion might include:=

1.     layering definitions – discussion on what exi= sts today and how to make it better

2.     discussions on techniques to make working with oe/y= octo better

3.     oe/yocto disconnects (opportunities for better alig= nment)

4.     common new user issues

5.     documentation (standards, lacks, etc)

6.     ?

 

Regards,

     Sean

Sean Hudson | Embedded Linux Architect for Mentor= Embedded Linux

Mentor Graphics – Embedded Software Divisio= n™

 

--_000_289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52F10NAMBX02mgcmento_-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from relay1.mentorg.com ([192.94.38.131]) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RkQzw-00031a-Kh for Openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 02:59:36 +0100 Received: from svr-orw-exc-10.mgc.mentorg.com ([147.34.98.58]) by relay1.mentorg.com with esmtp id 1RkQqE-0000xE-94 from Sean_Hudson@mentor.com ; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 17:49:34 -0800 Received: from SVR-ORW-FEM-03.mgc.mentorg.com ([147.34.97.39]) by SVR-ORW-EXC-10.mgc.mentorg.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:49:16 -0800 Received: from NA-MBX-02.mgc.mentorg.com ([169.254.2.234]) by SVR-ORW-FEM-03.mgc.mentorg.com ([147.34.97.39]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:49:33 -0800 From: "Hudson, Sean" Thread-Topic: RFC: Joint, monthly, and online forum for developer discussion Thread-Index: AczPD/muMXj6cRkkQUqmouq75fS35Q== Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 01:49:32 +0000 Message-ID: <289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52A19@NA-MBX-02.mgc.mentorg.com> Accept-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.34.91.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Bcc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2012 01:49:16.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FC9D4C0:01CCCF3A] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 21:37:12 +0100 Subject: RFC: Joint, monthly, and online forum for developer discussion X-BeenThere: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer List-Id: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 01:59:36 -0000 Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52A19NAMBX02mgcmento_" --_000_289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52A19NAMBX02mgcmento_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I propose having a monthly, online developer forum that promotes discussion= on longer term technical issues that impact both Yocto and OpenEmbedded. = This would supplement the already existing mailing list and irc communicati= on channels. In order to facilitate this, I'd like to propose a telephone/= web conference, which my employer has agreed to host. This forum would help provide an additional way for the community to discus= s technical issues and share information about planned work and works in pr= ogress. Initial Topics for Discussion might include: 1. layering definitions - discussion on what exists today and how to m= ake it better 2. discussions on techniques to make working with oe/yocto better 3. oe/yocto disconnects (opportunities for better alignment) 4. common new user issues 5. documentation (standards, lacks, etc) 6. ? Regards, Sean Sean Hudson | Embedded Linux Architect for Mentor Embedded Linux Mentor Graphics - Embedded Software Division(tm) --_000_289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52A19NAMBX02mgcmento_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I propose having a monthly, online developer forum that promotes discu= ssion on longer term technical issues that impact both Yocto and OpenEmbedd= ed.  This would supplement the already existing mailing list and irc c= ommunication channels.  In order to facilitate this, I’d like to propose a telephone/web conference, which my employ= er has agreed to host.
 
This forum would help provide an additional way for the community to d= iscuss technical issues and share information about planned work and works = in progress.
 
Initial Topics for Discussion might include:
  1. layering definitions – discussion on what exists today and how to= make it better
  2. discussions on techniques to make working with oe/y= octo better
  3. oe/yocto disconnects (opportunities for better alignmen= t)
  4. common new user issues
  5. documentation (standards, lacks, = etc)
  6. ?
 
Regards,
     Sean
 
Sean Hudson | Embedded Linux Architect for Mentor Embedded Linux
Mentor Graphics – Embedded Software Division™
 
 
 --_000_289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52A19NAMBX02mgcmento_-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com ([209.85.212.175]) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RlRqA-0003Gg-Me for openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:05:42 +0100 Received: by wibhm17 with SMTP id hm17so1655730wib.6 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.77.136 with SMTP id s8mr9360376wiw.0.1326401891174; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([79.115.118.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q34sm7601067wbm.15.2012.01.12.12.58.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:58:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F0F4961.2060702@gherzan.ro> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:58:09 +0200 From: Andrei Gherzan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111124 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org References: <289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52A19@NA-MBX-02.mgc.mentorg.com> In-Reply-To: <289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52A19@NA-MBX-02.mgc.mentorg.com> Subject: Re: RFC: Joint, monthly, and online forum for developer discussion X-BeenThere: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer List-Id: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 21:05:43 -0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020809000202060002050200" --------------020809000202060002050200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 01/10/2012 03:49 AM, Hudson, Sean wrote: > I propose having a monthly, online developer forum that promotes > discussion on longer term technical issues that impact both Yocto and > OpenEmbedded. This would supplement the already existing mailing list > and irc communication channels. In order to facilitate this, I'd like > to propose a telephone/web conference, which my employer has agreed to > host. > This forum would help provide an additional way for the community to > discuss technical issues and share information about planned work and > works in progress. > Initial Topics for Discussion might include: > > 1. layering definitions -- discussion on what exists today and how to > make it better > 2. discussions on techniques to make working with oe/yocto better > 3. oe/yocto disconnects (opportunities for better alignment) > 4. common new user issues > 5. documentation (standards, lacks, etc) > 6. ? > > Regards, > Sean > Sean Hudson | Embedded Linux Architect for Mentor Embedded Linux > Mentor Graphics -- Embedded Software Division^(TM) > This was something i i wanted to propose as well. It would be a easier way of communication. @g --------------020809000202060002050200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 01/10/2012 03:49 AM, Hudson, Sean wrote:
I propose having a monthly, online developer forum that promotes discussion on longer term technical issues that impact both Yocto and OpenEmbedded.  This would supplement the already existing mailing list and irc communication channels.  In order to facilitate this, I’d like to propose a telephone/web conference, which my employer has agreed to host.
 
This forum would help provide an additional way for the community to discuss technical issues and share information about planned work and works in progress.
 
Initial Topics for Discussion might include:
  1. layering definitions – discussion on what exists today and how to make it better
  2. discussions on techniques to make working with oe/yocto better
  3. oe/yocto disconnects (opportunities for better alignment)
  4. common new user issues
  5. documentation (standards, lacks, etc)
  6. ?
 
Regards,
     Sean
 
Sean Hudson | Embedded Linux Architect for Mentor Embedded Linux
Mentor Graphics – Embedded Software Division™
 

This was something i i wanted to propose as well. It would be a easier way of communication.

@g
--------------020809000202060002050200-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mga09.intel.com (mga09.intel.com [134.134.136.24]) by yocto-www.yoctoproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2652E01374 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from orsmga002.jf.intel.com ([10.7.209.21]) by orsmga102.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2012 14:16:00 -0800 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,351,1309762800"; d="scan'208";a="96730546" Received: from unknown (HELO [10.255.14.3]) ([10.255.14.3]) by orsmga002.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2012 14:16:00 -0800 Message-ID: <4F0CB8A0.9030107@linux.intel.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:16:00 -0800 From: Joshua Lock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: yocto@yoctoproject.org References: <289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52A19@NA-MBX-02.mgc.mentorg.com> In-Reply-To: <289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52A19@NA-MBX-02.mgc.mentorg.com> Subject: Re: RFC: Joint, monthly, and online forum for developer discussion X-BeenThere: yocto@yoctoproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of all things Yocto List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:16:01 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Sean, On 09/01/12 17:49, Hudson, Sean wrote: > I propose having a monthly, online developer forum that promotes > discussion on longer term technical issues that impact both Yocto and > OpenEmbedded. This would supplement the already existing mailing list > and irc communication channels. In order to facilitate this, I’d like to > propose a telephone/web conference, which my employer has agreed to host. > This forum would help provide an additional way for the community to > discuss technical issues and share information about planned work and > works in progress. I really like the intent here, a lot of people don't like IRC/mailing lists and I'd like to enable as many people as possible to participate in the project. Two things worry me about a telephone/web conference: 1) Our projects have participants spread across many time-zones and it will be difficult to accommodate more than one or two of those in any such real-time discussion. 2) In my experience as the number of participants in a call increases the ability for individuals to comment decreases. Generally I find calls with more than half a dozen or so participants difficult to participate in. I suspect I'm not alone. Additionally, with respect to 1), I worry about how we might enable folks unable to attend to, if not participate in the discussion, at least be aware of what was discussed. I'm not sure that minutes would be sufficient for more technical topics. With that said I do think such conversations are important and would be happy to join in. I simply want to raise my concerns early and see if anyone has ideas which might help here. > Initial Topics for Discussion might include: > > 1. layering definitions – discussion on what exists today and how to > make it better > 2. discussions on techniques to make working with oe/yocto better > 3. oe/yocto disconnects (opportunities for better alignment) > 4. common new user issues > 5. documentation (standards, lacks, etc) > 6. ? I think this is a great set of topics, and very worthy of discussion. I'd certainly like to be involved in 2,3&4. Cheers, Joshua -- Joshua Lock Yocto Project "Johannes factotum" Intel Open Source Technology Centre From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tinyArch.localdomain (unknown [78.110.170.148]) by yocto-www.yoctoproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6691E0123F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:42:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.69] (unknown [195.171.99.130]) by tinyArch.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 81BCE26A32 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:09:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F0D5961.9080901@communistcode.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:41:53 +0000 From: Jack Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111224 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: yocto@yoctoproject.org References: <289CD940EE567444BB43E62E0C3028F328F52A19@NA-MBX-02.mgc.mentorg.com> <4F0CB8A0.9030107@linux.intel.com> In-Reply-To: <4F0CB8A0.9030107@linux.intel.com> Subject: Re: RFC: Joint, monthly, and online forum for developer discussion X-BeenThere: yocto@yoctoproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of all things Yocto List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:42:44 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 10/01/12 22:16, Joshua Lock wrote: > Hi Sean, > > On 09/01/12 17:49, Hudson, Sean wrote: >> I propose having a monthly, online developer forum that promotes >> discussion on longer term technical issues that impact both Yocto and >> OpenEmbedded. This would supplement the already existing mailing list >> and irc communication channels. In order to facilitate this, I’d like to >> propose a telephone/web conference, which my employer has agreed to >> host. >> This forum would help provide an additional way for the community to >> discuss technical issues and share information about planned work and >> works in progress. > > I really like the intent here, a lot of people don't like IRC/mailing > lists and I'd like to enable as many people as possible to participate > in the project. I agree, in general, the more community/group discussion that goes on the better the resulting effort will be. > > Two things worry me about a telephone/web conference: > 1) Our projects have participants spread across many time-zones and it > will be difficult to accommodate more than one or two of those in any > such real-time discussion. > 2) In my experience as the number of participants in a call increases > the ability for individuals to comment decreases. Generally I find > calls with more than half a dozen or so participants difficult to > participate in. I suspect I'm not alone. If the call was streamed live, there could be people listening and noting ideas which could then be brought up on the mailing list - with which to iron out the creases and bring up at the next conference, rather than immediately on a whim? Therefore with an agenda beforehand only people who have very strong feelings or a lot to say on the subject would join, everybody else could listen in and pipe up on IRC or the mailing list if they feel the need to vent. A chair-person or someone else could also be a representative of IRC and if people have short, constructive input this could be relayed? Again, bringing the number of people in the call down. > Additionally, with respect to 1), I worry about how we might enable > folks unable to attend to, if not participate in the discussion, at > least be aware of what was discussed. Would it be possible to record the conference and make it publicly available, this could solve the technical minutes issue and also allow people who cannot attend to hear first hand what has been said. > > I'm not sure that minutes would be sufficient for more technical topics. ^^ > > With that said I do think such conversations are important and would > be happy to join in. I simply want to raise my concerns early and see > if anyone has ideas which might help here. > >> Initial Topics for Discussion might include: >> >> 1. layering definitions – discussion on what exists today and how to >> make it better >> 2. discussions on techniques to make working with oe/yocto better >> 3. oe/yocto disconnects (opportunities for better alignment) >> 4. common new user issues >> 5. documentation (standards, lacks, etc) >> 6. ? > > I think this is a great set of topics, and very worthy of discussion. > I'd certainly like to be involved in 2,3&4. > > Cheers, > Joshua Just my 2p. Best Regards, Jack.