From: Daniel De Graaf <dgdegra@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: Joanna Rutkowska <joanna@invisiblethingslab.com>
Cc: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/18] Xenstore stub domain
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:12:06 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F0F0656.4030402@tycho.nsa.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F0EB6ED.3030900@invisiblethingslab.com>
On 01/12/2012 05:33 AM, Joanna Rutkowska wrote:
> On 01/11/12 18:21, Daniel De Graaf wrote:
>> This patch series allows xenstored to run in a stub domian started by
>> dom0. It is based on a patch series posted by Alex Zeffertt in 2009 -
>> http://old-list-archives.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2009-03/msg01488.html
>>
>
> Daniel,
>
> Can you explain what is the rationale for moving the xenstored into a
> stubdom? After all, if an attacker is able to compromise the xenstored,
> there should be many ways now how to compromise other VMs in the system?
> And it shouldn't matter whether the xenstored is in stubdom or whether
> in Dom0. E.g. the attacker might redirect the block fronts to us some
> false block backends, so that the VMs get compromised fs. One could
> probably think of other attacks as well...?
>
> joanna.
>
Splitting xenstored into its own domain (rather than keeping it in dom0)
means that it does not need to be privileged, so a compromise of xenstore
does not automatically give you full access to all other domains on the
system.
While it is possible to attack domains by sending them bad commands from
xenstore (device unplug/domain changes), it is also possible for a guest
VM to detect this and it becomes a denial-of-service instead of a way to
compromise the system. This is most easily done if guests use their own
full-disk encryption and run integrity checks on the unencrypted parts
(kernel/initrd; using a vTPM to unlock the guest-based FDE would work).
This split also prevents xenstored from being attacked from dom0, but this
is currently not as important security-wise since dom0 has superuser access
to the xenstore database. However, it does allow for future changes to
xenstore's security model that do not include a fully-privileged domain.
--
Daniel De Graaf
National Security Agency
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-01-12 16:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-11 17:21 [RFC PATCH 0/18] Xenstore stub domain Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 01/18] xen: reinstate previously unused XENMEM_remove_from_physmap hypercall Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 8:22 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 02/18] xen: allow global VIRQ handlers to be delegated to other domains Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 8:43 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 03/18] xsm: allow use of XEN_DOMCTL_getdomaininfo by non-IS_PRIV domains Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:27 ` Keir Fraser
2012-01-11 17:36 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:49 ` Keir Fraser
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 04/18] xen: Preserve reserved grant entries when switching versions Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 8:53 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-12 9:49 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 9:56 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 05/18] tools/libxl: Add xenstore and console backend domain IDs to config Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 06/18] lib{xc, xl}: Seed grant tables with xenstore and console grants Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 9:59 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 15:11 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 16:12 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 17:21 ` Ian Jackson
2012-01-12 17:32 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 17:35 ` Ian Jackson
2012-01-12 17:38 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 17:47 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 07/18] mini-os: avoid crash if no console is provided Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 10:03 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 17:56 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 10:21 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 08/18] mini-os: avoid crash if no xenstore " Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 09/18] mini-os: remove per-fd evtchn limit Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 10/18] xenstored: use grant references instead of map_foreign_range Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 11/18] xenstored: add NO_SOCKETS compilation option Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 10:05 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 12/18] xenstored support for in-memory rather than FS based trivial DB (needed to run on mini-OS) Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 13/18] xenstored: support running in minios stubdom Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 14/18] xenstored: always use xc_gnttab_munmap in stubdom Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 15/18] xenstored: add --event parameter for bootstrapping Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 16/18] xenstored: pull dom0 event port from shared page Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 17/18] xenstored: use domain_is_unprivileged instead of checking conn->id Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 18/18] xenstored: add --priv-domid parameter Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 10:20 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 15:37 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-11 17:22 ` [PATCH] xenbus: Add support for xenbus backend in stub domain Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 8:59 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-12 15:28 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 15:40 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-12 15:58 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 9:51 ` [RFC PATCH 0/18] Xenstore " Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 9:57 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:32 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 10:33 ` Joanna Rutkowska
2012-01-12 10:48 ` Tim Deegan
2012-01-12 11:18 ` On Dom0 disaggregation (was: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/18] Xenstore stub domain) Joanna Rutkowska
2012-01-12 12:13 ` Tim Deegan
2012-01-12 13:30 ` On Dom0 disaggregation Joanna Rutkowska
2012-01-12 14:21 ` Tim Deegan
2012-01-12 14:23 ` Mihir Nanavati
2012-01-12 11:27 ` [RFC PATCH 0/18] Xenstore stub domain Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 11:33 ` Vasiliy Tolstov
2012-01-12 11:46 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 11:35 ` Joanna Rutkowska
2012-01-12 11:46 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 11:00 ` Keir Fraser
2012-01-12 16:12 ` Daniel De Graaf [this message]
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH v2 00/18] " Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 01/18] xen: reinstate previously unused XENMEM_remove_from_physmap hypercall Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-13 7:56 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-18 10:36 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-18 14:56 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 16:06 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-18 19:07 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-19 10:32 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 02/18] xen: allow global VIRQ handlers to be delegated to other domains Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-13 8:03 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-13 13:58 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-13 15:32 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-18 10:39 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-18 11:28 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-18 11:44 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 03/18] xen: use XSM instead of IS_PRIV for getdomaininfo Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 04/18] xen: Preserve reserved grant entries when switching versions Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-13 8:07 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-18 10:43 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 05/18] tools/libxl: pull xenstore/console domids from xenstore Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 10:47 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 06/18] lib{xc, xl}: Seed grant tables with xenstore and console grants Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 11:05 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-20 20:24 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 07/18] mini-os: avoid crash if no console is provided Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 11:06 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 08/18] mini-os: avoid crash if no xenstore " Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 11:08 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 09/18] mini-os: remove per-fd evtchn limit Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 11:10 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 10/18] xenstored: use grant references instead of map_foreign_range Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 11:15 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-18 18:18 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 11/18] xenstored: add NO_SOCKETS compilation option Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 11:23 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 12/18] xenstored support for in-memory rather than FS based trivial DB (needed to run on mini-OS) Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 11:27 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 13/18] xenstored: support running in minios stubdom Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 11:33 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-18 17:13 ` Ian Jackson
2012-01-18 17:35 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-24 16:24 ` Ian Jackson
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 14/18] xenstored: always use xc_gnttab_munmap in stubdom Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 15/18] xenstored: add --event parameter for bootstrapping Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 11:35 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 16/18] xenstored: use domain_is_unprivileged instead of checking conn->id Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 11:44 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-18 18:31 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 17/18] xenstored: add --priv-domid parameter Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 11:48 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-18 14:41 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 14:47 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:35 ` [PATCH 18/18] xenstored: Add stub domain builder Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 11:50 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-12 23:36 ` [PATCH] xenbus: Add support for xenbus backend in stub domain Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-13 8:20 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-13 14:06 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-13 15:37 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-13 15:44 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-13 16:00 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-13 17:42 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-16 8:19 ` Jan Beulich
2012-01-18 12:07 ` Ian Campbell
2012-01-18 14:44 ` Daniel De Graaf
2012-01-18 10:23 ` [PATCH v2 00/18] Xenstore " Ian Campbell
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