From: Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>
To: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Christian Hoff <christian.hoff@de.ibm.com>,
borntrae@linux.vnet.ibm.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
mst@redhat.com, rusty@rustcorp.com.au
Subject: Re: Pe: [PATCH v5 1/3] virtio-scsi: first version
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:57:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F38C27E.7030300@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F38B657.7060405@de.ibm.com>
On 02/13/2012 09:05 AM, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> On 12/02/12 21:16, James Bottomley wrote:
>> Well, no-one's yet answered the question I had about why.
>
> Just to give one example from a different angle:
> In the big datacenters tape libraries are still very important, and lots
> of them have a scsi attachement. virtio-blk certainly is not the right
> way to handle those. Furthermore it seems even pretty hard to craft
> a virtio-tape since most of those libraries have vendor specific library
> controls (via sg). We would need to duplicate scsi generic (hint, hint :-)
>
>> virtio-scsi seems to be a basic duplication of virtio-blk except that it seems to
>> fix some problems virtio-blk has. Namely queue parameter discover,
>> which virtio-blk doesn't seem to do. There may also be a reason to cut
>> the stack lower down. Error handling is most often cited for this, but
>> no-one's satisfactorily explaned why it's better to do error handling in
>> the guest instead of the host.
>>
>> Could someone please explain to me why you can't simply fix virtio-blk?
>
> I dont think that virtio-scsi will replace virtio-blk everywhere. For non-scsi
> block devices, image files or logical volumes virtio-blk seems to be the right
> approach, I think.
+1
virtio-scsi is superior w.r.t:
- Device support: tapes, cdroms, other
- Does guest-host mapped multipath
- Supports plenty of virtual disks mapped to the guest w/o need for a
pci slot per each virtio-blk
- offload fancy/new/sophisticated scsi commands from the guest to the
storage array w/o need for qemu implementation. Example XCOPY.
There are some more goodies like ability to support windows guest
clustering w/o hacky versions of scsi pass through over virtio-blk.
virtio-blk is also a candidate to change the request based towards bio
based implementation, so sticking to it does not buy us too much.
>
>> Or would virtio-blk maintainers give a reason why they're unwilling to
>> have it fixed?
>
> I dont consider virtio-blk broken. It just doesnt cover everything.
>
> Christian
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-02-13 7:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-02-06 9:51 Pe: [PATCH v5 1/3] virtio-scsi: first version Christian Hoff
2012-02-06 9:51 ` Christian Hoff
2012-02-07 9:54 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-07 11:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-02-07 11:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-07 11:56 ` Christian Borntraeger
2012-02-07 12:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-07 13:18 ` Christian Borntraeger
2012-02-07 13:59 ` Christian Hoff
2012-02-07 13:59 ` Christian Hoff
2012-02-07 14:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-08 13:37 ` Christian Hoff
2012-02-08 13:37 ` Christian Hoff
2012-02-09 9:25 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-09 12:18 ` Christian Hoff
2012-02-12 20:16 ` James Bottomley
2012-02-12 23:41 ` Rusty Russell
2012-02-13 7:05 ` Christian Borntraeger
2012-02-13 7:57 ` Dor Laor [this message]
2012-02-13 12:40 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-02-13 12:54 ` Dor Laor
2012-02-13 13:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-02-13 13:13 ` ronnie sahlberg
2012-02-13 13:17 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-13 13:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-02-13 15:12 ` Hannes Reinecke
2012-02-13 20:42 ` ronnie sahlberg
2012-02-13 20:53 ` ronnie sahlberg
2012-02-13 22:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-02-13 23:30 ` ronnie sahlberg
2012-02-13 23:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-02-14 0:49 ` ronnie sahlberg
2012-02-14 0:49 ` ronnie sahlberg
2012-02-14 1:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-02-14 9:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-13 11:08 ` Bart Van Assche
2012-02-13 9:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-14 0:07 ` Rusty Russell
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