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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: liwp@linux.vnet.ibm.com, peter maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, afaerber@suse.de
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/21] qdev: move bus properties to abstract superclasses
Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 23:50:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FA1AC32.8020301@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FA19277.2030209@us.ibm.com>

Il 02/05/2012 22:00, Anthony Liguori ha scritto:
>>
>> Not really, in fact this kind of class-side data is really bread and
>> butter
>> of all dynamic languages, and it's how most of them implement
>> polymorphism.
>> They have an associative array (method names ->  method bytecode for
>> example)
>> in each class on the hierarchy, and walk the hierarchy for each
>> function call.
> 
> I'm not aware of any language that does this.

Python:

    class A:
        def a(self):
            return "a"

    class B(A):
        def b(self):
            return "b"

    B.__dict__
    # {'__module__': '__main__', 'b': <function b at 0x7f9308aab668>, '__doc__': None}

    print(B().b())
    # b

    B.__dict__["a"]
    # Traceback (most recent call last):
    #   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
    # KeyError: 'a'

    print(B().a())
    # a

Smalltalk:

    'abc' class
    # String

    String methodDictionary includesKey: #==
    # false

    Object methodDictionary includesKey: #=
    # true


Ruby too:

     class A
       def a() end
    end
    class B < A
      def b() end
    end
    B.instance_methods
    # [:b, :a, :nil?, :===, :=~, ...]
    B.instance_methods(include_super=false)
    # [:b]

but I don't know exactly how to access the dictionary here.

> Many languages today have an associative array in the object.  It's
> filled out from a class definition during instantiation.  This is what
> allows monkey patching.

That's just Javascript as far as I know.  Python has an associative array
in the object _and_ one in the class, and they aren't exactly the same
thing:

    class A:
        def a(self):
            return "a"

    A.__dict__
    {'a': <function a at 0x7f67c8dc1578>, '__module__': '__main__', '__doc__': None}

    x = A()
    x.__dict__
    # {}

    x.a()
    # 'a'

    x.__dict__["a"] = lambda self: self
    x.__dict__
    # {'a': <function <lambda> at 0x7f67c8dc1500>}

    x.a()
    # Traceback (most recent call last):
    #   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
    # TypeError: <lambda>() takes exactly 1 argument (0 given)

    x.a('look, no implicit self anymore!')
    'look, no implicit self anymore!'

    y = A()
    y.a()
    # 'a'

Ruby has an associative array in the object and one in the class, and they
work as expected:

    class A
      def a() end
    end

    x = A.new
    # <A:0x000000027e0db8>
    x.a
    # nil
    x.define_singleton_method("a") { puts "i'm special" }
    x.a
    # i'm special
    # nil
    x.singleton_methods
    # [:a]

    y = A.new
    y.a
    # nil
    y.singleton_methods
    # []

> Classes are first class objects and can contain members, but I don't
> know of any system where you actively look at the same field in a
> super class for each class in the hierarchy. That's really trippy.

Just because it's new to you.  Smalltalk has been doing that for 30-odd
years.

Of course the VM has a lot of caching going on, but it's entirely
internal.

> If we move properties to Object, I'd rather just stick a property
> pointer in TypeInfo and call it a day. I'm not thrilled about it, but
> I feel a lot better about it the above.

What if we add declarative links or children, for example?  Adding more
junk to TypeInfo is not the solution.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-02 21:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-02 11:30 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/21] qbus QOM conversion, rebased on top of my patches Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-02 11:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/21] qom: documentation addition Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-02 11:59   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-11  2:08     ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/21] qom: add object_class_get_parent Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-02 12:21   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-11  2:25     ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/21] qom: add class_base_init Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-14 21:34   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/21] qom: make Object a type Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-16  8:16   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-23 16:53     ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/21] qom: assert that public types have a non-NULL parent field Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-02 12:35   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-23 17:01     ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/21] qdev: push "type" property up to Object Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-23 17:06   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-23 17:18     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-23 17:40       ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-23 18:00         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-02 11:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/21] qdev: fix -device foo,? Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-11 14:03   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-14 20:11   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/21] qdev: use object_property_print in info qtree Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-11 14:20   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-11 14:45     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-12  0:23       ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/21] qdev: move bus properties to a separate global Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-23 23:39   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/21] qdev: do not propagate properties to subclasses Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-23 23:46   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-24  1:34     ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/21] qdev: move bus properties to abstract superclasses Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-02 12:29   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-02 13:21     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-02 20:00       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-02 21:50         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2012-05-03 12:45           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-03 12:56             ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/21] pc: add back PCI.rombar compat property Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-02 11:38   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-02 11:41     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-02 11:44       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/21] qdev: clean up global properties Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-24 16:27   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/21] qdev: remove qdev_prop_set_defaults Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-02 12:30   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-24 16:30     ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/21] qdev: fix adding of ptr properties Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-12 12:34   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/21] qdev: use wrapper for qdev_get_path Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-24 16:31   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/21] qdev: move sysbus initialization to sysbus.c Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-24 16:32   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/21] qdev: convert busses to QEMU Object Model Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-24 16:48   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/21] qdev: connect busses with their parent devices Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-24 16:49   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/21] qbus: make child devices links Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-24 16:51   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-02 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 21/21] qbus: initialize in standard way Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-24 16:52   ` Andreas Färber
2012-05-04 16:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/21] qbus QOM conversion, rebased on top of my patches Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-23 15:43 ` Paolo Bonzini

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