From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Rich Pixley Subject: Re: Newbie grief Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 13:52:35 -0700 Message-ID: <4FA2F013.3020904@palm.com> References: <4F9F128C.5020304@palm.com> <201204302331.q3UNVo7o032303@no.baka.org> <4F9F3919.6060805@palm.com> <20120501111415.GD5769@thunk.org> <4FA02830.3040407@palm.com> <86havzoi8h.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4FA04D02.6090702@palm.com> <86mx5rmx32.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4FA055D0.7040102@palm.com> <86aa1rmvhb.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4FA05E9F.9090709@palm.com> <4FA2D1D7.3020807@palm.com> <4FA2D97A.8090504@palm.com> <86ipgdhvjo.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Nathan Gray , PJ Weisberg , Sitaram Chamarty , "Ted Ts'o" , Seth Robertson , "git@vger.kernel.org" To: "Randal L. Schwartz" X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu May 03 22:52:43 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SQ310-0000j7-IW for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Thu, 03 May 2012 22:52:42 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758642Ab2ECUwi (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 May 2012 16:52:38 -0400 Received: from smtp-relay2.palm.com ([64.28.152.243]:30015 "EHLO smtp-relay2.palm.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754004Ab2ECUwh (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 May 2012 16:52:37 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,527,1330934400"; d="scan'208";a="13296924" Received: from unknown (HELO ushqusdns4.palm.com) ([148.92.223.164]) by smtp-relay2.palm.com with ESMTP; 03 May 2012 13:52:36 -0700 Received: from fuji.noir.com ([10.100.2.12]) by ushqusdns4.palm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q43KqZYS008364; Thu, 3 May 2012 13:52:35 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 In-Reply-To: <86ipgdhvjo.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On 5/3/12 13:14 , Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Rich" == Rich Pixley writes: > Rich> Corporate mandate. Political decision made without discussion > Rich> with the people who would be using it. > > Sounds like you put two strikes against git before you even invoked the > first command, with that attitude. > > If you are *serious* about having *git* work for you, it will. > Thousands of projects are using git every day. > > But if you're looking at git like "it's not hg, and I already hate > that", you'll end up sounding like you have in the past few days. > > Methinks *this* is the actual problem. Not git. It's not just hg. It's other source code control systems as well. Check out any of the other daggy guys. So sure, I'll admit a bias for current technology over older tech. Another part of the problem is that git is badly designed, poorly documented, and the terminology is inconsistent. That, and the limitations make for a pretty steep learning curve. And a third part of the problem is that coming from a number of other daggy tools, I was expecting a lot more out of git that what git actually provides. Certainly, git can be used to do whatever, but a pile of sand and some plastic can be made into a computer too, if we're willing to put enough effort into it. But hey, I'm using it. (I refuse to work with perforce). I had an even worse bias against mecurial before I started using it. The big learning curve was from the linear tools to the daggy tools which happened for me with monotone. --rich