From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Rich Pixley Subject: Re: Newbie grief Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 15:44:56 -0700 Message-ID: <4FA30A68.5010002@palm.com> References: <4F9F128C.5020304@palm.com> <201204302331.q3UNVo7o032303@no.baka.org> <4F9F3919.6060805@palm.com> <20120501111415.GD5769@thunk.org> <4FA02830.3040407@palm.com> <86havzoi8h.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4FA04D02.6090702@palm.com> <86mx5rmx32.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <7v62cf8v2d.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <4FA054BA.80601@palm.com> <86ipgfmw05.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4FA05C66.2060608@palm.com> <7vipgddl9m.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Michael Witten , "Randal L. Schwartz" , Sitaram Chamarty , "Ted Ts'o" , Seth Robertson , "git@vger.kernel.org" To: Junio C Hamano X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Fri May 04 00:45:10 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SQ4lm-0003ED-IU for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Fri, 04 May 2012 00:45:06 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758948Ab2ECWo7 (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 May 2012 18:44:59 -0400 Received: from smtp-relay2.palm.com ([64.28.152.243]:35355 "EHLO smtp-relay2.palm.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757091Ab2ECWo7 (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 May 2012 18:44:59 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,527,1330934400"; d="scan'208";a="13299083" Received: from unknown (HELO ushqusdns3.palm.com) ([148.92.223.90]) by smtp-relay2.palm.com with ESMTP; 03 May 2012 15:44:58 -0700 Received: from joso.noir.com ([10.100.2.3]) by ushqusdns3.palm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q43MiuGM007544; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:44:57 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120420 Thunderbird/12.0 In-Reply-To: <7vipgddl9m.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On 5/3/12 14:09 , Junio C Hamano wrote: > Michael Witten writes: > >> (Note, though, that Junio has done a laudable job of keeping the >> whole experiment going strong). > > You are giving me too much credit, and at the same time insulting the > people who polished Git enough to suit their workflow. To them, the tool > has past "experiment" stage long time ago. They found what was lacking > and what would help the need in their workflow. I just have helped them > shape their ideas into a coherent whole. > > That does not mean there is nothing missing, still appears experimental, > or inconsistent in the parts of the system that these people do not use > nor care about, and when you bring in people coming from different > background, they will notice the behaviour or default that do not match > their expectation. They can do the usual "scratching own itches" thing > the same way to others who have done before. As nobody forces them to do > so, they can instead keep whining. It's mostly their choice. Once you've been bitten, and learned to shy away from the sore spot, you don't really have much motivation to change it. The motivation to change it would be to make it easier for the next person. Git clearly doesn't have much of that value in the community culture. --rich