From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Peter Crosthwaite <peter.crosthwaite@petalogix.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
edgar.iglesias@gmail.com, john.williams@petalogix.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] block: Removed coroutine ownership assumption
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:04:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FF18028.7010302@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEgOgz7K8uJE_GtOxQmiTDTgq=bCRW9hg2gpB0AFLjyy_CRA2w@mail.gmail.com>
Am 02.07.2012 12:57, schrieb Peter Crosthwaite:
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> wrote:
>> Am 02.07.2012 12:18, schrieb Peter Crosthwaite:
>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> Am 02.07.2012 11:42, schrieb Peter Crosthwaite:
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Am 02.07.2012 10:57, schrieb Peter Crosthwaite:
>>>>>>> No conditional on the qemu_coroutine_create. So it will always create
>>>>>>> a new coroutine for its work which will solve my problem. All I need
>>>>>>> to do is pump events once at the end of machine model creation. Any my
>>>>>>> coroutines will never yield or get queued by block/AIO. Sound like a
>>>>>>> solution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't need the read data in your initialisation code,
>>>>>
>>>>> definately not :) Just as long as the read data is there by the time
>>>>> the machine goes live. Whats the current policy with bdrv_read()ing
>>>>> from init functions anyway? Several devices in qemu have init
>>>>> functions that read the entire storage into a buffer (then the guest
>>>>> just talks to the buffer rather than the backing store).
>>>>
>>>> Reading from block devices during device initialisation breaks
>>>> migration, so I'd like to see it go away wherever possible. Reading in
>>>> the whole image file doesn't sound like something for which a good
>>>> excuse exists,
>>>
>>> Makes sense for small devices on embedded platforms. You end up with a
>>> very simple and clean device model. The approach is totally broken for
>>> HDDs but it does make some sense for the little embedded flashes where
>>> you can get away with caching the entire device storage in RAM for the
>>> lifetime of the system.
>>
>> It kind of works for read-only devices, it's just ugly there. With
>> writeable devices it makes the VM unmigratable.
>>
>
> Isnt it just a simple case of syncing the buffer with the backing
> store on pre_save?
Not if the buffer is only read during initialisation, which has long
happened on the destination when pre_save runs. So you'd need to either
migrate the whole block device content as suggested by PMM (works only
for really small devices) or have a reopen in post_load. Both sounds
rather hackish to me and likely doesn't work for block devices in general.
Kevin
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Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-06-22 6:44 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] block: Removed coroutine ownership assumption Peter A. G. Crosthwaite
2012-06-22 7:49 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-06-22 8:20 ` Peter Crosthwaite
2012-06-22 8:31 ` Peter Maydell
2012-06-22 8:34 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-06-22 8:53 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-06-22 10:59 ` Peter Crosthwaite
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2012-07-02 8:50 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-02 8:57 ` Peter Crosthwaite
2012-07-02 9:04 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-02 9:42 ` Peter Crosthwaite
2012-07-02 10:01 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-02 10:18 ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-02 10:44 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-02 10:59 ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-02 11:03 ` Peter Crosthwaite
2012-07-02 11:12 ` Peter Crosthwaite
2012-07-02 11:19 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-02 11:25 ` Peter Crosthwaite
2012-07-02 10:18 ` Peter Crosthwaite
2012-07-02 10:52 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-02 10:57 ` Peter Crosthwaite
2012-07-02 11:04 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2012-07-12 13:42 ` Markus Armbruster
2012-07-13 1:21 ` Peter Crosthwaite
2012-07-13 8:33 ` Markus Armbruster
2012-06-22 7:50 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-06-22 8:00 ` Peter Crosthwaite
2012-06-22 8:06 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-06-22 8:16 ` Peter Maydell
2012-06-22 8:23 ` Peter Crosthwaite
2012-06-22 8:33 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-06-22 8:45 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-06-22 8:48 ` Markus Armbruster
2012-06-22 9:06 ` Peter Maydell
2012-06-22 12:04 ` Markus Armbruster
2012-06-22 12:30 ` Peter Maydell
2012-06-22 13:36 ` Markus Armbruster
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