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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, ljs@kernel.org, riel@surriel.com,
	liam@infradead.org, vbabka@kernel.org, harry@kernel.org,
	jannh@google.com, lance.yang@linux.dev, qi.zheng@linux.dev,
	ayushr@modal.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: synchronize with PTE table reclaim for all folio sizes
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2026 20:58:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4a64ea17-6ac2-406e-a432-b82c481a4f84@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44740e38-77ae-457e-97db-d6e0a0149dc2@linux.alibaba.com>

On 11/6/26 03:12, Baolin Wang wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/5/26 7:37 PM, Pedro Falcato wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 10:56:28AM +0800, Baolin Wang wrote:
>>> Similar to commit 243cf1f67b36 ("mm: memory: fix truncation removing mapped
>>> folios"), the '!pmd_present()' check in page_vma_mapped_walk() can also race
>>> with concurrent page table reclamation via zap_empty_pte_table().
>>>
>>> page_vma_mapped_walk() is used by many functions including try_to_unmap(),
>>> try_to_migrate(), folio_mkclean(), pfn_mkclean_range(), remove_migration_ptes(),
>>> page_mapped_in_vma(), and mapping_wrprotect_range(). Except for try_to_unmap()
>>> and try_to_migrate(), the other callers do not perform post-walk accounting
>>> checks, so the race has no observable impact on them.
>>>
>>> For migration, the race can cause unnecessary retries. For reclaim via
>>> try_to_unmap(), the race can cause failure to reclaim a folio that is in
>>> fact already unmapped (as shown below), which may lead to unexpected OOM
>>> or increased refaults.
>>
>> This is very handwavy. Do you have numbers? Does this actually make sense?
> 
> This is hard to measure in practice. But in theory, if we can't reclaim 
> cold large folios that are actually unmapped due to the racy checks, it 
> could cause cold/hot inversion (e.g., in MGLRU) and increase refaults. 
> In extreme cases, failing to reclaim unmapped large folios could even 
> cause OOM.

Yeah, but the question is if it really matters in practice.

I agree that page_mapped_in_vma() should sync properly, but the current impact
might not be as severe.

-- 
Cheers,

David


  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-07 19:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-05  2:56 [PATCH] mm: synchronize with PTE table reclaim for all folio sizes Baolin Wang
2026-11-05  3:22 ` Qi Zheng
2026-11-05  4:54 ` Lance Yang
2026-11-05  5:48   ` Lance Yang
2026-11-05  9:00     ` Baolin Wang
2026-11-05 10:06       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-05 11:18         ` Baolin Wang
2026-11-05 13:22         ` Lance Yang
2026-11-05 19:35           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-06  1:57           ` Baolin Wang
2026-11-06  2:33             ` Lance Yang
2026-11-06  2:54               ` Baolin Wang
2026-11-07 20:05                 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-06  6:24       ` Barry Song
2026-11-06  8:54         ` Baolin Wang
2026-11-06  9:15           ` Lance Yang
2026-11-06  9:29             ` Lance Yang
2026-11-06  9:50               ` Baolin Wang
2026-11-06  9:56           ` Barry Song
2026-11-06 13:56             ` Baolin Wang
2026-11-10  6:23               ` Baolin Wang
2026-11-10  8:54                 ` Barry Song
2026-11-05 11:37 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-11-06  2:12   ` Baolin Wang
2026-11-07 19:58     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-11-09  3:39       ` Baolin Wang
2026-11-09  4:27         ` Barry Song
2026-11-10  3:48           ` Baolin Wang

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