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From: Gionatan Danti <g.danti@assyoma.it>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: No I/O errors reported after SATA link hard reset
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:15:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4debd4d8dea1d534ef555ceae4429435@assyoma.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170817124821.GA3238792@devbig577.frc2.facebook.com>

Hi Tejun,

Il 17-08-2017 14:48 Tejun Heo ha scritto:
> Recovered errors aren't reported as IO errors and at least from link
> state proper there's no way for the driver to tell apart link
> glitches and buffer-erasing power issues.

Ok, so *this* is the root cause of the problem: libata not identifying 
spurious link renegotiations vs brief powerloss/powerup events. Out of 
curiosity: is this a SATA-specific problem (ie: in the SATA 
specification), or even SAS disks are affected?

>> > - why the scsi midlevel does not respond to a power loss event by
>> > immediately offlining the disks?
> 
> Because we don't wanna be ditching disks on temporary link glitches,
> which do happen once in a while.

Any chances to report I/O errors to the upper layers *without* offlining 
the device? In this manner, upper layers (ie: MDRAID) can act in a more 
informate way. For example: single disk device will simple retry the 
failed operation, while MDRAID can take the "badblocks" code path to 
deal with the error.

> So, the right way to deal with the problem probably is making use of
> the SMART counter which indicates power loss events and verify that
> the counter hasn't increased over link issues.  If it changed, the
> device should be detached and re-probed, which will make it come back
> as a different block device.  Unfortunately, I haven't had the chance
> to actually implement that.

This is a very good idea, maybe I can implement it in userspace with a 
simple, fast polling scheme (for example, each 60 seconds). Such a 
polling would not prevent all corruption scenarios, but will at least 
timely inform the user.

Thanks.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-17 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-16 22:27 No I/O errors reported after SATA link hard reset Gionatan Danti
2017-08-17  9:24 ` Bernd Schubert
2017-08-17 12:48   ` Tejun Heo
2017-08-17 13:18     ` Bernd Schubert
2017-08-17 13:25       ` Tejun Heo
2017-08-17 13:43         ` Bernd Schubert
2017-08-17 14:23       ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-17 14:15     ` Gionatan Danti [this message]
2017-08-17 14:46       ` Tejun Heo
2017-08-17 15:01         ` Gionatan Danti
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-08-26 20:58 sonofagun
2017-08-27 18:42 ` Gionatan Danti

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