From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54203) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPoi6-00045Z-3U for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 08:35:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPoi1-0001l6-W1 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 08:35:42 -0400 Received: from mx3-rdu2.redhat.com ([66.187.233.73]:35784 helo=mx1.redhat.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPoi1-0001kd-Q0 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 08:35:37 -0400 References: <20180603092749.107476-1-marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com> <20180604042928-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180604142446.6f910dbf@redhat.com> From: Paolo Bonzini Message-ID: <4e58363f-d055-7556-7a71-51f90e461f4e@redhat.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 14:35:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180604142446.6f910dbf@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Igor Mammedov , "Michael S. Tsirkin" Cc: Marcel Apfelbaum , rth@twiddle.net, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, ehabkost@redhat.com On 04/06/2018 14:24, Igor Mammedov wrote: >> Yes it's easy to add -machine pc but there's no documentation >> that tells you to do so. Add to that shortcuts like -cdrom >> stop working, hotplug needs extra bridges to work, and one >> can see that while management tool users benefit from q35, >> command line users will suffer. > Maybe we should mark 'pc' default as deprecated first, > like we do with CLI options that we wish to drop in future? > > That way we 'create' documentation, so users would be aware > of the change and have time to fix their CLI if they prefer > 'pc' machine. Michael has listed reasons why 'pc' cannot be deprecated, since some of them are not even fixable. Honestly, 'pc' works well for 99% of the use cases---just like you probably don't care whether your laptop has a PCI or PCIe chipset. Paolo