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From: Douglas Gilbert <dgilbert@interlog.com>
To: Tim Walker <tim.t.walker@seagate.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Multi-Actuator SAS HDD First Look
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 20:51:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4f0eb1fb-7073-e1eb-4386-7813ce662b26@interlog.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANo=J15RFeMiqudiS_+dAuyVsgoPYn2U=iJZh3EhamtX56atWw@mail.gmail.com>

On 2018-04-05 07:43 PM, Tim Walker wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 1:46 AM, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 01:03:46PM +0200, Hannes Reinecke wrote:
>>> Actually I would propose to have a 'management' LUN at LUN0, who could
>>> handle all the device-wide commands (eg things like START STOP UNIT,
>>> firmware update, or even SMART commands), and ignoring them for the
>>> remaining LUNs.
>>
>> That is in fact the only workable option at all.  Everything else
>> completly breaks the scsi architecture.
> 
> Here's an update: Seagate will eliminate the inter-LU actions from
> FORMAT UNIT and SANITIZE. Probably SANITIZE will be per-LUN, but
> FORMAT UNIT is trickier due to internal drive architecture, and how
> FORMAT UNIT initializes on-disk metadata. Likely it will require some
> sort of synchronization across LUNs, such as the command being sent to
> both LUNs sequentially or something similar. We are also considering
> not supporting FORMAT UNIT at all - would anybody object? Any other
> suggestions?

Good, that is progress. [But you still only have one spindle.]

If Protection Information (PI) or changing the logical block size between
512 and 4096 bytes per block are options, then you need FU for that.
But does it need to take 900 minutes like one I got recently from S......?
Couldn't the actual reformatting of a track be deferred until the first
block written to that track?

Doug Gilbert

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-06  0:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-23 14:57 Multi-Actuator SAS HDD First Look Tim Walker
2018-03-26 15:08 ` Hannes Reinecke
2018-03-29 18:03   ` Douglas Gilbert
2018-03-30 13:07     ` Tim Walker
2018-03-30 18:07       ` Tim Walker
2018-03-30 18:17         ` Bart Van Assche
2018-03-30 18:21           ` Tim Walker
2018-03-30 18:31             ` Bart Van Assche
2018-03-30 18:36               ` Tim Walker
2018-03-30 20:01                 ` Bart Van Assche
2018-03-31 16:52                   ` Douglas Gilbert
2018-04-02 15:34                     ` Tim Walker
2018-04-02 16:29                       ` Douglas Gilbert
2018-04-02 16:44                         ` Tim Walker
2018-03-31 12:21         ` Hannes Reinecke
2018-03-31 11:03       ` Hannes Reinecke
2018-04-03  7:46         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-05 23:43           ` Tim Walker
2018-04-06  0:51             ` Douglas Gilbert [this message]
2018-04-06  6:24             ` Hannes Reinecke
2018-04-06  6:42               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-06 17:09                 ` Douglas Gilbert
2018-04-09  2:08                   ` Tim Walker
2018-04-09  6:17                     ` Hannes Reinecke
2018-04-09 16:02                       ` Douglas Gilbert
2018-04-16  1:35                         ` Tim Walker
2018-04-16  4:31                           ` Bart Van Assche
2018-04-18 11:16                             ` Tim Walker
2018-04-18 16:20                               ` Bart Van Assche
2018-04-18 16:25                                 ` Tim Walker
2018-04-09  9:25                   ` Christoph Hellwig

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