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From: Jp Wise <jpwise@theflat.net.nz>
To: Arne Jansen <sensille@gmx.net>
Cc: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Identifying reflink / CoW files
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:56:34 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <505E3412.4010900@theflat.net.nz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <505D6D87.1070403@gmx.net>


On 22/09/2012 7:49 p.m., Arne Jansen wrote:
> On 09/22/12 05:38, Jp Wise wrote:
>> Good morning, I'm working on an offline deduplication script intended to
>> work around the copy-on-write functionality of BTRFS.
>>
>> Simply put - is there any existing utility to compare two files (or
>> dirs) and output if the files share the same physical extents / data
>> blocks on disk?
>> - aka - they're CoW copies.
>>
>> I'm not actively working with BTRFS yet, but for the project i'm working
>> on it's looking to the be most suitable candidate, and the CoW
>> functionality avoids issues with file changes that hardlinks would create.
>>  From reading other posts, aware the information could be pulled out via
>> btrfs-debug-tree, but it would then involve parsing the entire output to
>> locate the required files inodes and their extents which seems like
>> quite a roundabout way to retrieve the information.
>>
>> Also my programming skills aren't  up to the task of trying to pull the
>> tree data directly from the filesystem to do it, and I'd like to avoid
>> doing byte-by-byte comparisons on all files as it's inefficient if the
>> file can instead be identified as a CoW copy.
> The information is available in the kernel, but to find a good way to
> extract it you have to describe in much more detail what you intend to
> do. What I, first of all, don't understand, is, why you need the
> information of already shared (=deduped) blocks to build a dedup. Don't
> you want to find data that is identical, but not shared, instead?
Hi Arne, that's exactly my issue. I want to filter out files that have 
already been de-duped to avoid re-checking two files that already share 
the same data blocks.
  In this usecase, I can identify potential duplicates via filename data 
(this dataset also stores a basic checksum as part of the filename), but 
rather than then doing a secondary checksum/cmp, I'd like to instead 
check if it's already sharing the same data blocks (ie: already 
de-duped). If two files share the same data blocks, I can safely say 
it's already de-duped and move onto the next potential match with doing 
the additional crunching of checksum/cmp to verify the match.

Logically there should also be usecases where someone has made a data 
copy in the past and may be uncertain if they made a reflink copy or a 
full copy and wants to recheck if they share the same data blocks.
>> Open to suggestions of other tools that could be used to acheive the
>> desired result.
>>
> Afaik without playing with it myself fiemap can give you information
> about the mappings of each file. If the mappings of 2 files match,
> the data is shared.
OK, have just done some searching on fiemap and located a code example 
using it to pull the file extent data.
http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/2010/01/using-fiemap-ioctl-to-get-file-extents.html
Will have a play around to see if i might be able to hack it up to 
compare two files, or just parse it's output between two files to 
identify matches.  Thank you for the pointer. :)

Likewise if anyone else knows of an existing utility to do a 
non-bytewise compare between two files, and just check if they share the 
same datablocks please let me know. :)
>> Thanks.
>> Jp.
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-22 21:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-22  3:38 Identifying reflink / CoW files Jp Wise
2012-09-22  7:49 ` Arne Jansen
2012-09-22 21:56   ` Jp Wise [this message]
2012-09-24 13:53     ` David Sterba
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-10-27 11:30 Saint Germain
2016-11-03  5:17 ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-11-04 14:41   ` Saint Germain
2016-11-25  3:55     ` Zygo Blaxell

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