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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Using PCI config space to indicate config location
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 16:58:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5072EA14.30809@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bogddq0l.fsf@codemonkey.ws>

  Hi,

> But I think we could solve this in a different way.  I think we could
> just move the virtio configuration space to BAR1 by using a transport
> feature bit.

Why hard-code stuff?

I think it makes alot of sense to have a capability simliar to msi-x
which simply specifies bar and offset of the register sets:

[root@fedora ~]# lspci -vvs4
00:04.0 SCSI storage controller: Red Hat, Inc Virtio block device
        [ ... ]
	Region 0: I/O ports at c000 [size=64]
	Region 1: Memory at fc029000 (32-bit) [size=4K]
	Capabilities: [40] MSI-X: Enable+ Count=2 Masked-
		Vector table: BAR=1 offset=00000000
		PBA: BAR=1 offset=00000800

So we could have for virtio something like this:

        Capabilities: [??] virtio-regs:
                legacy: BAR=0 offset=0
                virtio-pci: BAR=1 offset=1000
                virtio-cfg: BAR=1 offset=1800

> That then frees up the entire BAR0 for use as virtio-pci registers.  We
> can then always include the virtio-pci MSI-X register space and
> introduce all new virtio-pci registers as simply being appended.

BAR0 needs to stay as-is for compatibility reasons.  New devices which
don't have to care about old guests don't need to provide a 'legacy'
register region.

Most devices have mmio at BAR1 for msi-x support anyway, we can place
the virtio-pci and virtio configuration registers there too by default.
 I wouldn't hardcode that though.

> This new feature bit then becomes essentially a virtio configuration
> latch.  When unacked, virtio configuration hides new registers, when
> acked, those new registers are exposed.

I'd just expose them all all the time.

>> 2) ISTR an argument about mapping the ISR register separately, for
>>    performance, but I can't find a reference to it.
> 
> I think the rationale is that ISR really needs to be PIO but everything
> else doesn't.  PIO is much faster on x86 because it doesn't require
> walking page tables or instruction emulation to handle the exit.

Is this still a pressing issue?  With MSI-X enabled ISR isn't needed,
correct?  Which would imply that pretty much only old guests without
MSI-X support need this, and we don't need to worry that much when
designing something new ...

cheers,
  Gerd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Using PCI config space to indicate config location
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 16:58:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5072EA14.30809@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bogddq0l.fsf@codemonkey.ws>

  Hi,

> But I think we could solve this in a different way.  I think we could
> just move the virtio configuration space to BAR1 by using a transport
> feature bit.

Why hard-code stuff?

I think it makes alot of sense to have a capability simliar to msi-x
which simply specifies bar and offset of the register sets:

[root@fedora ~]# lspci -vvs4
00:04.0 SCSI storage controller: Red Hat, Inc Virtio block device
        [ ... ]
	Region 0: I/O ports at c000 [size=64]
	Region 1: Memory at fc029000 (32-bit) [size=4K]
	Capabilities: [40] MSI-X: Enable+ Count=2 Masked-
		Vector table: BAR=1 offset=00000000
		PBA: BAR=1 offset=00000800

So we could have for virtio something like this:

        Capabilities: [??] virtio-regs:
                legacy: BAR=0 offset=0
                virtio-pci: BAR=1 offset=1000
                virtio-cfg: BAR=1 offset=1800

> That then frees up the entire BAR0 for use as virtio-pci registers.  We
> can then always include the virtio-pci MSI-X register space and
> introduce all new virtio-pci registers as simply being appended.

BAR0 needs to stay as-is for compatibility reasons.  New devices which
don't have to care about old guests don't need to provide a 'legacy'
register region.

Most devices have mmio at BAR1 for msi-x support anyway, we can place
the virtio-pci and virtio configuration registers there too by default.
 I wouldn't hardcode that though.

> This new feature bit then becomes essentially a virtio configuration
> latch.  When unacked, virtio configuration hides new registers, when
> acked, those new registers are exposed.

I'd just expose them all all the time.

>> 2) ISTR an argument about mapping the ISR register separately, for
>>    performance, but I can't find a reference to it.
> 
> I think the rationale is that ISR really needs to be PIO but everything
> else doesn't.  PIO is much faster on x86 because it doesn't require
> walking page tables or instruction emulation to handle the exit.

Is this still a pressing issue?  With MSI-X enabled ISR isn't needed,
correct?  Which would imply that pretty much only old guests without
MSI-X support need this, and we don't need to worry that much when
designing something new ...

cheers,
  Gerd

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-08 14:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-27  0:29 Proposal for virtio standardization Rusty Russell
2012-09-27  0:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-09-27  0:29 ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-04 18:49 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-10-04 18:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-04 18:49   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08  2:21   ` Using PCI config space to indicate config location Rusty Russell
2012-10-08  2:21     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-08 13:58     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 13:58       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 14:58       ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2012-10-08 14:58         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-08 15:09         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 15:09           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 20:13           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-08 20:13             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-08 20:55             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 20:55               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 23:56               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09  1:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09  3:16                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09  3:16                     ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09 10:17                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-10-09 10:17                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-10-09 14:03                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 14:03                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 13:56                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 13:56                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 13:56                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-10  3:44                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  3:44                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10 11:37                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10 11:37                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-09 21:09                     ` Jamie Lokier
2012-10-09 21:09                     ` Jamie Lokier
2012-10-09 21:09                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2012-10-10  3:44                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  3:44                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:08                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:08                           ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:08                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09  3:16                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09  6:33                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-09  6:33                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-09 15:26                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 15:26                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 20:24                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-09 20:24                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-10  2:54                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  2:54                           ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10 13:36                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-10 13:41                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10 13:41                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11  0:43                               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:43                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:43                               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  2:54                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09 15:26                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-10  8:34                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10  8:34                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-08 13:58     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-10  8:30     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10  8:30       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11  1:18       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  1:18         ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-11 10:23         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11 10:23           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11 22:29           ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11 22:29           ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11 22:29             ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-12  9:33             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-12  9:33               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-12  9:51               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-12  9:51                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-12 10:02                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-12 10:02                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-16 13:15                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:15                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:15                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:30                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-16 13:30                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-16 13:52                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:52                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:52                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-08  2:21   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09 14:02 ` Proposal for virtio standardization Cornelia Huck
2012-10-09 14:02 ` Cornelia Huck
2012-10-09 14:02   ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2012-10-10  3:46   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  3:46   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  3:46     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell

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