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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Using PCI config space to indicate config location
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:13:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <507333F1.1060000@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k3v1gfw1.fsf@codemonkey.ws>

  Hi,

>> So we could have for virtio something like this:
>>
>>         Capabilities: [??] virtio-regs:
>>                 legacy: BAR=0 offset=0
>>                 virtio-pci: BAR=1 offset=1000
>>                 virtio-cfg: BAR=1 offset=1800
> 
> This would be a vendor specific PCI capability so lspci wouldn't
> automatically know how to parse it.

Sure, would need a patch to actually parse+print the cap,
/me was just trying to make my point clear in a simple way.

>>>> 2) ISTR an argument about mapping the ISR register separately, for
>>>>    performance, but I can't find a reference to it.
>>>
>>> I think the rationale is that ISR really needs to be PIO but everything
>>> else doesn't.  PIO is much faster on x86 because it doesn't require
>>> walking page tables or instruction emulation to handle the exit.
>>
>> Is this still a pressing issue?  With MSI-X enabled ISR isn't needed,
>> correct?  Which would imply that pretty much only old guests without
>> MSI-X support need this, and we don't need to worry that much when
>> designing something new ...
> 
> It wasn't that long ago that MSI-X wasn't supported..  I think we should
> continue to keep ISR as PIO as it is a fast path.

No problem if we allow to have both legacy layout and new layout at the
same time.  Guests can continue to use ISR @ BAR0 in PIO space for
existing virtio devices, even in case they want use mmio for other
registers -> all fine.

New virtio devices can support MSI-X from day one and decide to not
expose a legacy layout PIO bar.

cheers,
  Gerd

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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Using PCI config space to indicate config location
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:13:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <507333F1.1060000@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k3v1gfw1.fsf@codemonkey.ws>

  Hi,

>> So we could have for virtio something like this:
>>
>>         Capabilities: [??] virtio-regs:
>>                 legacy: BAR=0 offset=0
>>                 virtio-pci: BAR=1 offset=1000
>>                 virtio-cfg: BAR=1 offset=1800
> 
> This would be a vendor specific PCI capability so lspci wouldn't
> automatically know how to parse it.

Sure, would need a patch to actually parse+print the cap,
/me was just trying to make my point clear in a simple way.

>>>> 2) ISTR an argument about mapping the ISR register separately, for
>>>>    performance, but I can't find a reference to it.
>>>
>>> I think the rationale is that ISR really needs to be PIO but everything
>>> else doesn't.  PIO is much faster on x86 because it doesn't require
>>> walking page tables or instruction emulation to handle the exit.
>>
>> Is this still a pressing issue?  With MSI-X enabled ISR isn't needed,
>> correct?  Which would imply that pretty much only old guests without
>> MSI-X support need this, and we don't need to worry that much when
>> designing something new ...
> 
> It wasn't that long ago that MSI-X wasn't supported..  I think we should
> continue to keep ISR as PIO as it is a fast path.

No problem if we allow to have both legacy layout and new layout at the
same time.  Guests can continue to use ISR @ BAR0 in PIO space for
existing virtio devices, even in case they want use mmio for other
registers -> all fine.

New virtio devices can support MSI-X from day one and decide to not
expose a legacy layout PIO bar.

cheers,
  Gerd

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-08 20:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-27  0:29 Proposal for virtio standardization Rusty Russell
2012-09-27  0:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-09-27  0:29 ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-04 18:49 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-10-04 18:49   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08  2:21   ` Using PCI config space to indicate config location Rusty Russell
2012-10-08  2:21     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-08 13:58     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 13:58     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 13:58       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 14:58       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-08 14:58         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-08 15:09         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 15:09           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 20:13           ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2012-10-08 20:13             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-08 20:55             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 20:55               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 23:56               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09  1:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09  3:16                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09  3:16                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09  3:16                     ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09 10:17                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-10-09 10:17                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-10-09 14:03                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 14:03                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 13:56                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 13:56                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-10  3:44                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  3:44                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10 11:37                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10 11:37                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-09 13:56                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 21:09                     ` Jamie Lokier
2012-10-09 21:09                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2012-10-10  3:44                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  3:44                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:08                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:08                           ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:08                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09 21:09                     ` Jamie Lokier
2012-10-09  6:33                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-09  6:33                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-09 15:26                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 15:26                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 20:24                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-09 20:24                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-10  2:54                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  2:54                           ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10 13:36                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-10 13:41                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10 13:41                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11  0:43                               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:43                               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:43                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  2:54                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09 15:26                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-10  8:34                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10  8:34                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10  8:30     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10  8:30       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11  1:18       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  1:18         ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-11 10:23         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11 10:23           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11 22:29           ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11 22:29             ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-12  9:33             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-12  9:33               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-12  9:51               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-12  9:51                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-12 10:02                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-12 10:02                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-16 13:15                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:15                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:30                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-16 13:30                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-16 13:52                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:52                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:52                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:15                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11 22:29           ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-08  2:21   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-04 18:49 ` [Qemu-devel] Proposal for virtio standardization Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 14:02 ` Cornelia Huck
2012-10-09 14:02 ` Cornelia Huck
2012-10-09 14:02   ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2012-10-10  3:46   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  3:46   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  3:46     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell

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