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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] On block interface types in general, IF_AHCI in particular
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:09:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50913105.3010900@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878vamn3ok.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org>

Il 31/10/2012 14:58, Markus Armbruster ha scritto:
> So by default, you can have only two fast devices, and you get them only
> if you know that you need to use unit=4 and unit=5.

Or "-m q35".

> Naive usage, including -hda, gets IDE compatibility mode, which is slower.
> 
> I think this is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Everything is.

> Peters getting robbed:
> 
> * New guests that would deal just fine with q35 including AHCI lose:
>   they get "upgraded" to AHCI in IDE compatibility mode, which is slower
>   than the real thing.

But also slower than virtio. :)

> * Existing guests that could deal with the hardware upgrade from i440FX
>   to q35 just fine lose the same way.
> 
> Pauls getting paid:
> 
> * Existing guests that can deal with the upgrade *except* for AHCI
>   *continue to work.
> 
> And there are Pats who still won't get paid:
> 
> * Existing guests that can't deal with the chipset changing under them
>   still break.

Do we know of any?

> If we make q35 the default and q35 with compat IDE an option, then the
> Peters just work, and the Pauls and the Pats break on upgrade until you
> specify a machine type that works.

Is there anything that prevents us from doing it later?

Paolo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-31 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-30 14:43 [Qemu-devel] On block interface types in general, IF_AHCI in particular Markus Armbruster
2012-10-30 15:16 ` Jason Baron
2012-10-30 16:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-30 17:04   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-10-30 19:03     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-30 21:12     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-31 13:58       ` Markus Armbruster
2012-10-31 14:01         ` Peter Maydell
2012-10-31 14:09         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2012-10-31 14:20         ` Markus Armbruster
2012-10-31 14:40           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-31 14:43             ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-31 14:46               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-31 16:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-31 16:05                 ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-31 16:46                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-31 16:57                     ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-31 18:32                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-31 16:48                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-31 16:21         ` Kevin Wolf
2012-10-31 16:32           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-31 16:35             ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-31 16:50               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-11-01  8:50   ` Gerd Hoffmann

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