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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>
Cc: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	SE-Linux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	John Johansen <john.johansen@canonical.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10] LSM: Multiple concurrent LSMs
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:25:49 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50C8CC2D.7030108@schaufler-ca.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACLa4pvAhASKuKH6uH7+6iEt1dqfUrQZKAC2CSmYzAtyVOgf4w@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/12/2012 9:47 AM, Eric Paris wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Casey Schaufler
> <casey@schaufler-ca.com> wrote:
>
>> We can't undo the sins of the past regarding /proc/.../attr.
> Agreed
>
>> With
>> the scheme I'm putting forth you can have a working system with both
>> SELinux and AppArmor if either runtime understands the multiple LSM
>> environment.
> Agreed.  (assuming the command line option was configured to present
> the one that doesn't understand)
>
>> If neither understands, at least one will have trouble.
> Agreed.  I'm just of the belief the 'trouble' should be 'fails
> completely' rather than 'fails partially' trying to use
> /proc/self/attr...

Configure None as the presented LSM and all legacy userspace
will fail. Trouble for all.

>
>> On a slightly different note, do we need a liblsm with interfaces like:
>>
>>         int lsm_presented(char *presented)
>>         int lsm_supported(char *lsmname)
>>
>> so you're not reading the files directly?
> If I have new enough userspace to call such functions, do I need them?
>  Doesn't seem I need presented.  I can always use the selinux.*
> version of attr files.  Maybe lsm_supported is slightly useful.  We
> don't have to parse /proc/filesystems looking for selinuxfs.  I guess
> that'd be faster, but I don't know if others would use it...
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-12-12 18:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <50C65DE2.5090909@schaufler-ca.com>
     [not found] ` <201212112128.ADI26010.OQJVLOFSOFtHMF@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
2012-12-11 15:31   ` [PATCH v10] LSM: Multiple concurrent LSMs Casey Schaufler
     [not found]     ` <201212122159.CEC09839.HMOFtQFLJSVFOO@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
2012-12-12 15:48       ` Casey Schaufler
2012-12-12 15:55         ` Eric Paris
2012-12-12 16:24           ` Casey Schaufler
2012-12-12 16:33             ` Eric Paris
2012-12-12 17:04               ` Casey Schaufler
2012-12-12 17:11                 ` Eric Paris
     [not found]                   ` <CAGXu5jLf+apZK5poD6GKzLkC+p6+mAqKhU3neoOZjr2JumvmpA@mail.gmail.com>
2012-12-12 17:22                     ` Eric Paris
2012-12-12 17:31                   ` Casey Schaufler
2012-12-12 17:47                     ` Eric Paris
2012-12-12 18:25                       ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2012-12-12 18:47                         ` Eric Paris
2012-12-12 20:46                           ` Casey Schaufler
2012-12-12 20:51                             ` Eric Paris
2012-12-12 22:01                               ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]                 ` <201212132106.AFI82338.QMFHFLSJOtOOFV@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
2012-12-13 16:12                   ` Eric Paris
2012-12-13 16:31                     ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]                       ` <CAGXu5jJf4NEvs6TjVCBxgd9e8cGwag_-viEntgTBUq85fULr8w@mail.gmail.com>
2012-12-16  3:06                         ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]                     ` <201212142326.DDG90674.SFHFMOOVLFJtQO@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
2012-12-14 15:07                       ` Eric Paris
2012-12-13 16:38                   ` Casey Schaufler

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