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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, aquini@redhat.com,
	lwoodman@redhat.com, jeremy@goop.org,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@novell.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Tom Herbert <therbert@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3 -v2] x86,smp: auto tune spinlock backoff delay factor
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:31:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50DCA206.6010802@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1356634150.30414.1268.camel@edumazet-glaptop>

On 12/27/2012 01:49 PM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-12-27 at 09:35 -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
>
>>
>> The lock acquisition time depends on the holder of the lock,
>> and what the CPUs ahead of us in line will do with the lock,
>> not on the caller IP of the spinner.
>
> That would be true only for general cases.
>
> In network land, we do have spinlock acquisition time depending on the
> context.
>
> A garbage collector usually runs for longer time than the regular fast
> path.

Won't the garbage collector running, hold up the lock
acquisition time by OTHER acquirers?

> But even without gc, its pretty often we have consumer/producers that
> don't have the same amount of work to perform per lock/unlock sections.
>
> The socket lock per example, might be held for very small sections for
> process contexts (lock_sock() / release_sock()), but longer sections
> from softirq context. Of course, severe lock contention on a socket
> seems unlikely in real workloads.

If one actor holds the lock for longer than the
others, surely it would be the others that suffer
in lock acquisition time?

>> Therefore, I am not convinced that hashing on the caller IP
>> will add much, if anything, except increasing the chance
>> that we end up not backing off when we should...
>>
>> IMHO it would be good to try keeping this solution as simple
>> as we can get away with.
>>
>
> unsigned long hash = (unsigned long)lock ^
>                       (unsigned long)__builtin_return_address(1);
>
> seems simple enough to me, but I get your point.
>
> I also recorded the max 'delay' value reached on my machine to check how
> good MAX_SPINLOCK_DELAY value was :
>
> [   89.628265] cpu 16 delay 3710
> [   89.631230] cpu 6 delay 2930
> [   89.634120] cpu 15 delay 3186
> [   89.637092] cpu 18 delay 3789
> [   89.640071] cpu 22 delay 4012
> [   89.643080] cpu 11 delay 3389
> [   89.646057] cpu 21 delay 3123
> [   89.649035] cpu 9 delay 3295
> [   89.651931] cpu 3 delay 3063
> [   89.654811] cpu 14 delay 3335
>
> Although it makes no performance difference to use a bigger/smaller one.

I guess we want a larger value.

With your hashed lock approach, we can get away with
larger values - they will not penalize other locks
the same way a single value per cpu might have.

-- 
All rights reversed

  reply	other threads:[~2012-12-27 19:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-21 23:49 [RFC PATCH 0/3] x86,smp: make ticket spinlock proportional backoff w/ auto tuning Rik van Riel
2012-12-21 23:50 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] x86,smp: move waiting on contended lock out of line Rik van Riel
2012-12-22  3:05   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-12-22  4:40   ` Michel Lespinasse
2012-12-22  4:48     ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-23 22:52   ` Rafael Aquini
2012-12-21 23:51 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] x86,smp: proportional backoff for ticket spinlocks Rik van Riel
2012-12-22  3:07   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-12-22  3:14     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-12-22  3:47       ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-22  4:44   ` Michel Lespinasse
2012-12-23 22:55   ` Rafael Aquini
2012-12-21 23:51 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] x86,smp: auto tune spinlock backoff delay factor Rik van Riel
2012-12-21 23:56   ` [RFC PATCH 3/3 -v2] " Rik van Riel
2012-12-22  0:18     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-22  2:43       ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-22  0:48     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-22  2:57       ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-22  3:29     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-22  3:44       ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-22  3:33     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-12-22  3:50       ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-26 19:10         ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-26 19:27           ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-26 19:51           ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-27  6:07             ` Michel Lespinasse
2012-12-27 14:27               ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-27 14:35                 ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-27 18:41                   ` Jan Beulich
2012-12-27 19:09                     ` Rik van Riel
2013-01-03  9:05                       ` Jan Beulich
2013-01-03 13:24                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-01-03 13:35                           ` Eric Dumazet
2013-01-03 15:32                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-01-03 16:10                               ` Eric Dumazet
2013-01-03 16:45                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-01-03 17:54                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-27 18:49                   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-27 19:31                     ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2012-12-29  0:42                       ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-29 10:27           ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-01-03 18:17             ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-22  0:47   ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] " David Daney
2012-12-22  2:51     ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-22  3:49       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-12-22  3:58         ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-23 23:08           ` Rafael Aquini
2012-12-22  5:42   ` Michel Lespinasse
2012-12-22 14:32     ` Rik van Riel
2013-01-02  0:06 ` ticket spinlock proportional backoff experiments Michel Lespinasse
2013-01-02  0:09   ` [PATCH 1/2] x86,smp: simplify __ticket_spin_lock Michel Lespinasse
2013-01-02 15:31     ` Rik van Riel
2013-01-02  0:10   ` [PATCH 2/2] x86,smp: proportional backoff for ticket spinlocks Michel Lespinasse

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