From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755771Ab3AURV1 (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:21:27 -0500 Received: from exprod7og108.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.169]:43706 "EHLO exprod7og108.obsmtp.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755947Ab3AURVY (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:21:24 -0500 X-Greylist: delayed 5479 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:21:24 EST Message-ID: <50FD637F.2080604@genband.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:49:19 -0600 From: Chris Friesen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111108 Fedora/3.1.16-1.fc14 Lightning/1.0b3pre Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom St Denis CC: Steven Rostedt , David Dillow , Borislav Petkov , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: IPsec AH use of ahash References: <1161725580.95543.1358782288077.JavaMail.root@elliptictech.com> In-Reply-To: <1161725580.95543.1358782288077.JavaMail.root@elliptictech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2013 15:49:20.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0CE3560:01CDF7EE] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-8.0.0.4160-6.500.1024-19572.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--9.927900-8.000000-31 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 01/21/2013 09:31 AM, Tom St Denis wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steven Rostedt" To: "Tom St >> Denis" Cc: "David >> Dillow", "Borislav Petkov", >> linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org Sent: Monday, >> 21 January, 2013 10:28:33 AM Subject: Re: IPsec AH use of ahash >> >> When I send a patch to another maintainer, and they tell me to fix >> the way I did the comments, I don't complain. I fix the comments >> and resend. > > Which is less of a problem when there is a timeliness factor. In the > business world people move on and don't work at that pace. There can be an impedance mismatch between the "get it done to hit a deadline" business world and the "get it right no matter how long it takes" world of some open-source projects. However, many businesses have recognized that they get far more benefit from dealing with open-source than it costs them in designer time. From the point of view of my employer (I work in telecom) the choices are either: a) work with the kernel to get the code submitted into mainline b) keep the changes private and port them every time we upgrade Over a decade or more my management has come to realize that option "a" is generally better in the long term, even if it's a bit more effort in the short term. There are exceptions of course, and sometimes we just need to do a quick-and-dirty solution to get something out the door. Chris