Hi Mikel,

>> This API is meant specifically for PA or another Audio subsystem.  What you
>> want to be tracking and cross-referencing I'm not quite sure of.
>
> I already mentioned one example: if a headset wants to ignore the
> inband ringtone, and use it's own custom one, it needs to match the
> audio-card and the voicecall state. During the ringtone (callsetup=1),
> the SCO stream would be ignored, as suggested in section 4.13.4 of the
> spec.

Why? Just select a different sound device if the call status is 
incoming.  Why do you need to know this down to the lowest level of 
detail?  Or better yet, just turn the in-band ringing off at the AG side 
and be done with it.

The AG can start an audio connection for any reason whatsoever, trying 
to 'outsmart' it will likely never work due to deficiencies in the 
protocol.  I would love to hear how you plan to implement voice 
recognition policies.

If you want to control everything down to the nitty gritty, you probably 
need a dedicated application.  There's no way all of this level of 
detail is ever going to be exposed over IPC.  Even oFono core lacks much 
of this information due to abstractions.

>
> I could list more examples too if needed, but they would involve
> multiple connected AGs.

Please do.

> Not that I agree with the idea of re-engineering the Media API, but anyway...
>

Lets put it this way, Media API has a snowball's chance in hell of going 
to oFono upstream.  So lets put this discussion to rest already.

>>
>>
>>> The ability to distinguish HS and AG roles in the client's side is
>>> desirable (at least PulseAudio heavily depends on this information).
>>> So even if the proposal above is not accepted, at least the role
>>> (UUID) would have to be exposed somehow.
>>>
>>
>> The type information was left out on purpose from this proposal.  Likely it
>> is necessary, but for the initial phase it does not seem relevant.  I also
>> have yet to hear concise and clear summary on the utility of providing this
>> information.
>
> I can summarize PulseAudio's case. The current policies slightly
> differ in the way SCO is handled. The HS role is more passive,
> accepting remote SCO connections and releases. The AG, on the other
> hand, initiates an SCO connection as soon as some audio starts
> streaming, or the user sets the card's profile to "hsp" manually.
>
> The HS role currently switches between HSP/HFP and A2DP automatically.
> So if SCO starts streaming, the profile is switched and the audio gets
> routed. This is not the case for the AG role (desktop use-case) where
> no automatic switch exists and the user-setting applies. I believe
> this shouldn't be necessary in the long term, if the routing problem
> was solved, but that alone is a big topic.
>
> Finally, PA exposes per-profile information in the UI, so the user
> actually distinguishes AG and HS roles. So if you pair a Nokia support
> both profiles, you would see them both in the UI. I guess this could
> be changed, but not without a controversial discussion. Even several
> BlueZ developers have argued that this information is very convenient
> for development and testing.
>
> Note that the HSP vs HFP difference is not relevant, so I'm just
> talking about separating AG vs HS roles.
>

I'm still lost.  But that is okay.  Can we please implement the basic 
proposal as it is now and then start adding features?  Remember the 
motto, 'make it work, then make it work better'.

>>
>>>>> If so, I have some concerns about the potential race conditions. If
>>>>> SCO was closed and reopen immediately afterwards, the client could
>>>>> receive the (second) NewConnection before the HUP.
>>>>>
>>
>> You are going over-the-air vs local machine.  I really do not see this ever
>> happening.  But even if it does, is this really a hard problem for the Agent
>> to deal with?
>
> I think it would be quite obscure to assume that the previous socket
> will HUP shortly after this second NewConnection is received. So if
> this approach is encouraged, I'd expect some reference in the doc.

Uhhh, this situation will never happen.  Too much thinking, stop it ;) 
If you want to be ultra-paranoid just close the previous socket when you 
get a NewConnection with the same card id, but I digress...

Regards,
-Denis