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From: George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
To: Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>
Cc: "suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com" <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
	"JBeulich@suse.com" <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xen.org" <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Always save/restore performance counters when HVM guest switching VCPU
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:56:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5139FC08.8030907@eu.citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b2280a7f-3ee0-465a-aae3-def104c83fc3@default>

On 08/03/13 14:50, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
> ----- JBeulich@suse.com wrote:
>
>>>>> On 04.03.13 at 13:42, George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:49 PM,  <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> From: Suravee Suthikulpanit <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>
>>>>
>>>> Currently, the performance counter registers are saved/restores
>>>> when the HVM guest switchs VCPUs only if they are running.
>>>> However, PERF has one check where it writes the MSR and read back
>>>> the value to check if the MSR is working.  This has shown to fails
>>>> the check if the VCPU is moved in between rdmsr and wrmsr and
>>>> resulting in the values are different.
>>> Many moons ago (circa 2005) when I used performance counters, I
>> found
>>> that adding them to the save/restore path added a non-neligible
>>> overhead -- something like 5% slow-down.  Do you have any reason to
>>> believe this is no longer the case?  Have you done any benchmarks
>>> before and after?
> I was doing some VPMU tracing a couple of weeks ago and by looking at
> trace timestamps I think I saw about 4000 cycles on VPMU save and
> ~9000 cycles on restore. Don't remember what it was percentage-wise of
> a whole context switch.
>
> This was on Intel.

That's a really hefty expense to make all users pay on every context 
switch, on behalf of a random check in a piece of software that only a 
handful of people are going to be actually using.

I'm having a hard time telling what PERF is being talked about here -- 
couldn't this check be fixed on their side, by perhaps checking the 
CPUID leaf for the existence of Xen?

If not I think a "lazy vpmu activation" is going to be the only option.

  -George

  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-08 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-08 14:50 [PATCH] Always save/restore performance counters when HVM guest switching VCPU Boris Ostrovsky
2013-03-08 14:56 ` George Dunlap [this message]
2013-03-08 15:15   ` Jan Beulich
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-03-08 15:11 Boris Ostrovsky
2013-03-11 11:11 ` George Dunlap
2013-03-11 14:53   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-11 14:59     ` George Dunlap
2013-03-11 15:54       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2013-03-11 16:03     ` Jan Beulich
2013-03-12  8:18     ` Dietmar Hahn
2013-03-12 15:12       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-01 20:49 suravee.suthikulpanit
2013-03-01 23:02 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2013-03-04 12:42 ` George Dunlap
2013-03-08  8:47   ` Jan Beulich
2013-03-08 22:52     ` Suravee Suthikulanit

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