From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
Cc: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
Stefano Stabellini <Stefano.Stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>,
Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3] QEMU(upstream): Disable xen's use of O_DIRECT by default as it results in crashes.
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:00:14 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5147562E.1090203@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5147512E.5050501@eu.citrix.com>
Il 18/03/2013 18:38, George Dunlap ha scritto:
>>>
>> This might be a difference between Xen and KVM. On Xen migration is
>> made to a server in a paused state, and it's only unpaused when
>> the migration to B is complete. There's a sort of extra handshake at
>> the end.
>
> I think what you mean is that all the memory is handled by Xen and the
> toolstack, not by qemu. The qemu state is sent as the very last thing,
> after all of the memory, and therefore (you are arguing) that qemu is
> not started, and the files cannot be opened, until after the migration
> is nearly complete, and certainly until after the file is closed on the
> sending side.
That would be quite dangerous. Files aren't closed until after QEMU
exits; at this point whatever problem you have launching QEMU on the
destination would be unrecoverable.
Even for successful migration, it would also be bad for downtime (QEMU
isn't exactly lightning-fast to start). And even if failure weren't
catastrophic, it would be a pity to transfer a few gigs of memory and
then find out that QEMU isn't present in the destination. :)
Still, it's more than possible that I've forgotten something about Xen's
management of QEMU.
> (In KVM this isn't the case because I assume it's qemu that handles the
> memory transition, and so it is likely to open the files on the
> receiving side when the migration starts.)
Yup.
Paolo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-03-18 18:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-03-18 12:18 [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3] QEMU(upstream): Disable xen's use of O_DIRECT by default as it results in crashes Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 12:18 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 13:03 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-03-18 13:19 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 13:03 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-03-18 13:32 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 13:49 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 14:05 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 14:30 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 14:49 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 14:49 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 15:40 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 15:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 16:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 16:53 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 16:53 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 17:38 ` [Qemu-devel] " George Dunlap
2013-03-18 17:38 ` George Dunlap
2013-03-18 17:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 17:47 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 18:00 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-03-19 10:06 ` George Dunlap
2013-03-19 10:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " George Dunlap
2013-03-19 10:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 10:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 10:51 ` George Dunlap
2013-03-19 10:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " George Dunlap
2013-03-19 11:14 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 11:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 11:21 ` George Dunlap
2013-03-19 11:21 ` George Dunlap
2013-03-19 15:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " George Dunlap
2013-03-19 15:29 ` George Dunlap
2013-03-19 15:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " George Dunlap
2013-03-19 19:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Bligh
2013-03-19 19:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Alex Bligh
2013-03-20 10:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2013-03-20 10:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2013-03-20 10:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " George Dunlap
2013-03-20 10:37 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " George Dunlap
2013-03-20 11:08 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-20 11:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-20 11:20 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-20 11:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Alex Bligh
2013-03-20 11:57 ` David Scott
2013-03-20 11:57 ` [Qemu-devel] " David Scott
2013-03-19 15:12 ` George Dunlap
2013-03-19 11:44 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-19 11:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Alex Bligh
2013-03-19 11:49 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 11:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 15:13 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-03-19 15:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2013-03-19 16:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 17:03 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-03-19 17:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2013-03-19 16:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-20 8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Alex Bligh
2013-03-20 8:33 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-20 9:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-20 9:26 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-29 17:19 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-03-29 17:19 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-03-31 19:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Alex Bligh
2013-04-01 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] [RFC] Xen PV backend: Move call to bdrv_new from blk_init to blk_connect Alex Bligh
2013-04-01 15:32 ` Alex Bligh
2013-04-01 15:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2013-04-01 20:56 ` Alex Bligh
2013-04-01 20:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Bligh
2013-04-02 11:08 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-04-05 10:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv2 1/2] " Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 10:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv2 2/2] Xen PV backend: Disable use of O_DIRECT by default as it results in crashes Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 10:31 ` Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 14:22 ` [PATCHv2 1/2] Xen PV backend: Move call to bdrv_new from blk_init to blk_connect Stefano Stabellini
2013-04-05 14:22 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2013-04-05 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 " Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 2/2] Xen PV backend: Disable use of O_DIRECT by default as it results in crashes Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 15:42 ` Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 15:42 ` [PATCHv3 1/2] Xen PV backend: Move call to bdrv_new from blk_init to blk_connect Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 15:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv2 " Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 15:43 ` Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 10:31 ` Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 10:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv2 1/2] Xen PV backend (for qemu-upstream-4.2-testing): " Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 10:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv2 2/2] Xen PV backend (for qemu-upstream-4.2-testing): Disable use of O_DIRECT by default as it results in crashes Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 10:32 ` Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 10:32 ` [PATCHv2 1/2] Xen PV backend (for qemu-upstream-4.2-testing): Move call to bdrv_new from blk_init to blk_connect Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 10:34 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Xen PV backend: " Alex Bligh
2013-04-05 10:34 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Bligh
2013-04-02 11:08 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-04-01 15:44 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-04-01 16:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] [PATCHv3] QEMU(upstream): Disable xen's use of O_DIRECT by default as it results in crashes Alex Bligh
2013-04-01 16:35 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-31 19:53 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 18:00 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 16:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 14:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 14:05 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 13:49 ` Alex Bligh
2013-03-18 13:32 ` Paolo Bonzini
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