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From: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Cc: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Zlatko Calusic <zcalusic@bitsync.net>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	dormando <dormando@rydia.net>,
	Satoru Moriya <satoru.moriya@hds.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/8] Reduce system disruption due to kswapd
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:00:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <514F4D37.5030304@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1363525456-10448-1-git-send-email-mgorman@suse.de>

On 03/17/2013 02:04 PM, Mel Gorman wrote:
> Kswapd and page reclaim behaviour has been screwy in one way or the other
> for a long time. Very broadly speaking it worked in the far past because
> machines were limited in memory so it did not have that many pages to scan
> and it stalled congestion_wait() frequently to prevent it going completely
> nuts. In recent times it has behaved very unsatisfactorily with some of
> the problems compounded by the removal of stall logic and the introduction
> of transparent hugepage support with high-order reclaims.
> 
> There are many variations of bugs that are rooted in this area. One example
> is reports of a large copy operations or backup causing the machine to
> grind to a halt or applications pushed to swap. Sometimes in low memory
> situations a large percentage of memory suddenly gets reclaimed. In other
> cases an application starts and kswapd hits 100% CPU usage for prolonged
> periods of time and so on. There is now talk of introducing features like
> an extra free kbytes tunable to work around aspects of the problem instead
> of trying to deal with it. It's compounded by the problem that it can be
> very workload and machine specific.
> 
> This RFC is aimed at investigating if kswapd can be address these various
> problems in a relatively straight-forward fashion without a fundamental
> rewrite.
> 
> Patches 1-2 limits the number of pages kswapd reclaims while still obeying
> 	the anon/file proportion of the LRUs it should be scanning.

Hi,

patch 1 does not apply (on the top of -next), so I can't test this :(.

thanks,
-- 
js
suse labs

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From: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Cc: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Zlatko Calusic <zcalusic@bitsync.net>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	dormando <dormando@rydia.net>,
	Satoru Moriya <satoru.moriya@hds.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/8] Reduce system disruption due to kswapd
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:00:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <514F4D37.5030304@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1363525456-10448-1-git-send-email-mgorman@suse.de>

On 03/17/2013 02:04 PM, Mel Gorman wrote:
> Kswapd and page reclaim behaviour has been screwy in one way or the other
> for a long time. Very broadly speaking it worked in the far past because
> machines were limited in memory so it did not have that many pages to scan
> and it stalled congestion_wait() frequently to prevent it going completely
> nuts. In recent times it has behaved very unsatisfactorily with some of
> the problems compounded by the removal of stall logic and the introduction
> of transparent hugepage support with high-order reclaims.
> 
> There are many variations of bugs that are rooted in this area. One example
> is reports of a large copy operations or backup causing the machine to
> grind to a halt or applications pushed to swap. Sometimes in low memory
> situations a large percentage of memory suddenly gets reclaimed. In other
> cases an application starts and kswapd hits 100% CPU usage for prolonged
> periods of time and so on. There is now talk of introducing features like
> an extra free kbytes tunable to work around aspects of the problem instead
> of trying to deal with it. It's compounded by the problem that it can be
> very workload and machine specific.
> 
> This RFC is aimed at investigating if kswapd can be address these various
> problems in a relatively straight-forward fashion without a fundamental
> rewrite.
> 
> Patches 1-2 limits the number of pages kswapd reclaims while still obeying
> 	the anon/file proportion of the LRUs it should be scanning.

Hi,

patch 1 does not apply (on the top of -next), so I can't test this :(.

thanks,
-- 
js
suse labs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-03-24 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 252+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-17 13:04 [RFC PATCH 0/8] Reduce system disruption due to kswapd Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm: vmscan: Limit the number of pages kswapd reclaims at each priority Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 23:53   ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-18 23:53     ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19  9:55     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19  9:55       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:16       ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 10:16         ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 10:59         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:59           ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-20 16:18   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-20 16:18     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21  0:52     ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21  0:52       ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-22  0:08       ` Will Huck
2013-03-22  0:08         ` Will Huck
2013-03-21  9:47     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21  9:47       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 12:59       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 12:59         ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21  0:51   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21  0:51     ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 15:57   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-21 15:57     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-21 16:47     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 16:47       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22  0:05     ` Will Huck
2013-03-22  0:05       ` Will Huck
2013-03-22  3:52       ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-22  3:52         ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-22  3:56         ` Will Huck
2013-03-22  3:56           ` Will Huck
2013-03-22  4:59           ` Will Huck
2013-03-22  4:59             ` Will Huck
2013-03-22 13:01             ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-22 13:01               ` Rik van Riel
2013-04-05  0:05               ` Will Huck
2013-04-05  0:05                 ` Will Huck
2013-04-07  7:32                 ` Will Huck
2013-04-07  7:32                   ` Will Huck
2013-04-07  7:35                 ` Will Huck
2013-04-07  7:35                   ` Will Huck
2013-04-11  5:54         ` Will Huck
2013-04-11  5:54           ` Will Huck
2013-04-11  5:58         ` Will Huck
2013-04-11  5:58           ` Will Huck
2013-04-12  5:46           ` Ric Mason
2013-04-12  5:46             ` Ric Mason
2013-04-12  9:34             ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-12  9:34               ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-12 13:40               ` Rik van Riel
2013-04-12 13:40                 ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-25  9:07   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-25  9:07     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-25  9:13     ` Jiri Slaby
2013-03-25  9:13       ` Jiri Slaby
2013-03-28 22:31       ` Jiri Slaby
2013-03-28 22:31         ` Jiri Slaby
2013-03-29  8:22         ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-29  8:22           ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-30 22:07           ` Jiri Slaby
2013-03-30 22:07             ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-02 11:15             ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-02 11:15               ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: vmscan: Obey proportional scanning requirements for kswapd Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:39   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 14:39     ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:08     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 15:08       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21  1:10   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21  1:10     ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21  9:54     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21  9:54       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 14:01   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 14:01     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 14:31     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 14:31       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:07       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:07         ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:34         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:34           ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22  7:54           ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-22  7:54             ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-22  8:37             ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22  8:37               ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 10:04               ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-22 10:04                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-22 10:47                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-22 10:47                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 16:25   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-21 16:25     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-21 18:02     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 18:02       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 16:53       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-22 16:53         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-22 18:25         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 18:25           ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 19:09           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-22 19:09             ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-22 19:46             ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 19:46               ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm: vmscan: Flatten kswapd priority loop Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:36   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 14:36     ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:09     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 15:09       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18  7:02   ` Hillf Danton
2013-03-19 10:01     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 23:58   ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-18 23:58     ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 10:12     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:12       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19  3:08   ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19  3:08     ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19  8:23     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-19  8:23       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-19 10:14     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:14       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:26       ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 10:26         ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 11:01         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 11:01           ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 14:54   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 14:54     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:26     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:26       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:38       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:38         ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm: vmscan: Decide whether to compact the pgdat based on reclaim progress Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:11   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-19 10:19     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:19       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:11   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-18 11:35   ` Hillf Danton
2013-03-18 11:35     ` Hillf Danton
2013-03-19 10:27     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:27       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:32   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:32     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:47     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:47       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:50       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:50         ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: vmscan: Do not allow kswapd to scan at maximum priority Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21  1:20   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21  1:20     ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 10:12     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 10:12       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 12:30       ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 12:30         ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 15:48   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:48     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: vmscan: Have kswapd writeback pages based on dirty pages encountered, not priority Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:42   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 14:42     ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:11     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 15:11       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 17:53       ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 17:53         ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 18:15         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 18:15           ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 18:21           ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 18:21             ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-18 11:08   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-18 11:08   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-19 10:35     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:35       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: vmscan: Block kswapd if it is encountering pages under writeback Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:49   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 14:49     ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:19     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 15:19       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 15:40       ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:40         ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-19 11:06         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 11:06           ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:37   ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-18 11:37     ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 10:57     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:57       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:58   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-19 10:58     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:58       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:58   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-21 16:32   ` [PATCH 07/10 -v2r1] " Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 16:32     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 18:42   ` [PATCH 07/10] " Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 18:42     ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-22  8:27     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22  8:27       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: vmscan: Have kswapd shrink slab only once per priority Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:53   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 14:53     ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-21 16:47   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 16:47     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 19:47   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 19:47     ` Rik van Riel
2013-04-09  6:53   ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-04-09  6:53     ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-04-09  8:41     ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-09  8:41       ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-09 11:13     ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-09 11:13       ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-10  1:07       ` Dave Chinner
2013-04-10  1:07         ` Dave Chinner
2013-04-10  5:23         ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-04-10  5:23           ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-04-11  9:53         ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-11  9:53           ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-10  5:21       ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-04-10  5:21         ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-04-11 10:01         ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-11 10:01           ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-11 10:29           ` Ric Mason
2013-04-11 10:29             ` Ric Mason
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm: vmscan: Check if kswapd should writepage " Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 16:58   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 16:58     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 18:07     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 18:07       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 19:52   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 19:52     ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: vmscan: Move logic from balance_pgdat() to kswapd_shrink_zone() Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:55   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 14:55     ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:25     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 15:25       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 17:18   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 17:18     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 18:13     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 18:13       ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 10:44 ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] Reduce system disruption due to kswapd Damien Wyart
2013-03-21 10:54   ` Zlatko Calusic
2013-03-21 11:48     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 11:20   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 14:37 ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 14:37   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-24 19:00 ` Jiri Slaby [this message]
2013-03-24 19:00   ` Jiri Slaby
2013-03-25  8:17   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-25  8:17     ` Michal Hocko

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