From: Ben Bucksch <linux.news@bucksch.org>
To: Adam Goryachev <mailinglists@websitemanagers.com.au>
Cc: Robert L Mathews <lists@tigertech.com>,
Linux RAID <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Use RAID-6!
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:13:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <516E83D8.2070908@bucksch.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <516DFC4F.5000908@websitemanagers.com.au>
Adam Goryachev wrote, On 17.04.2013 03:35:
> Obviously, if they suffered a two disk failure then they won't be here
> asking for help will they:)
Wrong, sadly. I suffered a 1 disk failure, and I am here asking for
help. And nobody can give it.
Again: I have a RAID5, and 1 (one) disk failed, so I should be fine, but
I cannot read the data anymore, no way to get at it. That's because md
ejected a good (!) drive to start with, and refuses to take it back (!).
(And then another drive failed during resync.) If you have a way, please
do show me, see thread 'Disk wrongly marked "spare", need to force
re-add it'
The problem isn't double disk failure. The problem is bugs in md
implementation.
> The Linux kernel advises Linux md that the block
> device is gone, so Linux md discards the block device and stops trying
> to use it. Personally, I don't see that Linux md has a lot of choice in
> the matter
True. But often, such errors are temporary. For example, a loose cable.
I must be able to re-add the device as a good device with data. But I
can't, md doesn't let me.
My case was even more unbelievable: md ejected perfectly good drives
simply because I upgraded the OS. (This happened with 2 independent
arrays, so not coincidence.)
Also, a single sector being unreadable/unwritable doesn't count as "disk
failure" in my book, and shouldn't eject the whole disk. If I have 2
sectors on 2 different disks that are unreadable, md currently trashes
the whole array and doesn't let me read anything at all anymore. That's
obviously broken, but unfortunately the sad reality.
See http://neil.brown.name/blog/20110216044002#1
(And, BTW, RAID6 doesn't really help with this problem, because it's
quite possible that 3 disks have sectors unreadable/unwritable.)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-17 11:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-04-16 16:44 Use RAID-6! Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2013-04-16 17:09 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2013-04-16 17:25 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2013-04-16 20:01 ` David Brown
2013-04-17 7:56 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2013-04-17 9:26 ` David Brown
2013-04-16 19:52 ` Robert L Mathews
2013-04-16 20:05 ` Carsten Aulbert
2013-04-16 20:19 ` Roman Mamedov
2013-04-16 22:44 ` Robert L Mathews
2013-04-17 0:20 ` Ben Bucksch
2013-04-17 1:35 ` Adam Goryachev
2013-04-17 4:27 ` Robert L Mathews
2013-04-17 4:45 ` Adam Goryachev
2013-04-17 6:06 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-04-17 11:13 ` Ben Bucksch [this message]
2013-04-17 11:32 ` Adam Goryachev
2013-04-17 11:51 ` Ben Bucksch
2013-04-17 17:50 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2013-04-17 3:32 ` Robert L Mathews
2013-04-17 4:20 ` Roman Mamedov
2013-04-17 5:22 ` Robert L Mathews
2013-04-17 17:27 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2013-04-16 23:42 ` md dropping disks too early (was: Use RAID-6!) Ben Bucksch
2013-04-17 8:00 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2013-04-17 10:57 ` md dropping disks too early Ben Bucksch
2013-04-17 15:03 ` Keith Keller
2013-04-17 18:09 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
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