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From: marcelg <marcelsbox@quicknet.nl>
To: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
Subject: PCM buffering ussues ( or probably the lack of understanding )
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:13:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5172401E.8020708@quicknet.nl> (raw)

I am working on a PCM driver, have some issues and thing which are 
unclear to me, hopefully somebody here can clarify something for me.

My PCM driver is straigh forward:

- Copy callback copies the frames received in the callback into a small 
ringbuffer and starts a DMA transfer to the hardware.
- DMA interrupt each times take the next chunk from the ringbuffer.
- In the DMA interrupt the number of frames is counted, if te number >= 
period_size reported in runtime_struct   pcm_period_elapsed() is called.
- the pointer which is read by the pcm_pointer() callback is updated in 
each DMA interrupt.

When using mplayer this works without problems, however with other 
applications like mpg123 its causes a lot of problems, for some reaosns 
I do not understand yet.
It has something to do with buffer handling.


basically in the cm driver I can influence a few parameters:

periods_min/periods_max
period_bytes_min, period_bytes_max
buffer_size  ( should be sufficient to hold periods_max with 
period_bytes_max I assume )

As far as I understand periods_min/periods_max is the size (number of 
buffer entries) of the internal ringbuffer Alsa uses.
- Why is there both a min and a max ?  How is chosen what will be used ?
- Currently my period_min is set to 1 and my period_max  set to 4, If I 
increase the period_max value it does not start properly, it seems  that 
the samples are not deliverered in time.
   Is there any explanation for this,   does the Alsa layer not any 
pre-buffering before the first copy() is called ?
- Is there any advice / guidline for period min/max values ?  I checked 
sourecs of severl drivers, some use 1 and some use values like 32 or 
more for period_max.

The same applies to buffer_bytes min/max, currently my min is set to 
128bytes , max to 2kB, larger values of max seem to cause more problems.

 From the documentation I understand that it does not matter if 
pcm_period_elapsed()  is not always called,  How dows the ALSA layer 
then know how many samples are played.
the pointer value read the pcm_pointer()  only counts from 
[0..period_max]  so what if 2 or more calls to period_elapsed()  are 
skipped ?

Suppose I want to have some buffering inside my pcm driver, how will I 
be able to get some samples in advance before starting playback ? Can I 
just call pcm_period_elapsed() a few times in  a row to get the buffer 
filled
before starting the actual playcback, or does this cause side effects ?

I noticed that the number of frames passed to pcm_copy is often less 
than the periods_size, is this determined by the application ?


Lots of questions, but I try to understand the odd behaviour with 
certain applications ( and the best settings for a pcm driver which will 
work with most applications )

Any help would be appreciated.

Marcel

             reply	other threads:[~2013-04-20  7:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-20  7:13 marcelg [this message]
2013-04-20  7:52 ` PCM buffering ussues ( or probably the lack of understanding ) Lars-Peter Clausen
2013-04-20  8:46   ` Clemens Ladisch
     [not found]   ` <5172750A.4030805@quicknet.nl>
2013-04-20 11:17     ` Lars-Peter Clausen

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