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From: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
To: "linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <mkp@mkp.net>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>
Subject: T10 WCE interpretation in Linux & device level access
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:41:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5176E3E8.3000809@redhat.com> (raw)


For many years, we have used WCE as an indication that a device has a volatile 
write cache (not just a write cache) and used this as a trigger to send down 
SYNCHRONIZE_CACHE commands as needed.

Some arrays with non-volatile cache seem to have WCE set and simply ignore the 
command.

Some arrays with non-volatile cache seem to not set WCE.

Others arrays with non-volatile cache - our problem arrays - set WCE and do 
something horrible and slow when sent the SYNCHRONIZE_CACHE commands.

Note that for file systems, you can override this behavior by mounting with our 
barriers disabled (mount -o nobarrier .....). There is currently no way do 
disable this for anything using the device directly, not through the file system.

Some applications run against block devices - not through a file system - and 
want not to slow to a crawl when they have an array in my problem set.

Giving them a hook to ignore WCE seems to be a hack, but one that would resolve 
issues with users who won't want to wait months (years?) for us to convince the 
array vendors.

Is this a hook worth doing?

Have we hashed this out in the T10 committee?

Regards,

Ric


             reply	other threads:[~2013-04-23 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-23 19:41 Ric Wheeler [this message]
2013-04-23 20:07 ` T10 WCE interpretation in Linux & device level access James Bottomley
2013-04-23 22:39   ` Jeremy Linton
2013-04-24  5:44     ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2013-04-24 11:00       ` Ric Wheeler
2013-04-27 16:09       ` James Bottomley
2013-04-24 11:17   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-24 12:07     ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-04-24 12:08       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-24 12:12         ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-04-24 12:23           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-24 12:27           ` Mike Snitzer
2013-04-24 12:27         ` Ric Wheeler
2013-04-24 12:57           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-24 14:35             ` Jeremy Linton
2013-04-24 18:20               ` Black, David
2013-04-24 20:41                 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-04-24 21:02                   ` James Bottomley
2013-04-24 21:54                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-24 22:09                       ` James Bottomley
2013-04-24 22:36                         ` Ric Wheeler
2013-04-24 22:46                           ` James Bottomley
2013-04-25 11:35                             ` Ric Wheeler
2013-04-25 14:12                               ` James Bottomley
2013-04-25  1:32                         ` Martin K. Petersen
2013-04-27  6:03                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-24 11:30   ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-04-23 20:28 ` Douglas Gilbert
2013-04-24 15:40 ` Douglas Gilbert

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