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From: Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>
To: Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Michael Wang <wangyun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 5/7] sched: compute runnable load avg in cpu_load and cpu_avg_load_per_task
Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 23:00:47 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5187C59F.1020305@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPM31RLJe19FH+RYipwm4kwtzmFHoS2xGTx4iZ9+qwDJZ_pf3A@mail.gmail.com>

> 
> blocked_load_avg is the expected "to wake" contribution from tasks
> already assigned to this rq.
> 
> e.g. this could be:
>   load = this_rq->cfs.runnable_load_avg + this_rq->cfs.blocked_load_avg;

Current load balance doesn't consider slept task's load which is
represented by blocked_load_avg. And the slept task is not on_rq, so
consider it in load balance is a little strange.

But your concern is worth to try. I will change the patchset and give
the testing results.

> 
> Although, in general I have a major concern with the current implementation:
> 
> The entire reason for stability with the bottom up averages is that
> when load migrates between cpus we are able to migrate it between the
> tracked sums.
> 
> Stuffing observed averages of these into the load_idxs loses that
> mobility; we will have to stall (as we do today for idx > 0) before we
> can recognize that a cpu's load has truly left it; this is a very
> similar problem to the need to stably track this for group shares
> computation.
> 
> To that end, I would rather see the load_idx disappear completely:
>  (a) We can calculate the imbalance purely from delta (runnable_avg +
> blocked_avg)
>  (b) It eliminates a bad tunable.

I also show the similar concern of load_idx months ago. seems overlooked. :)
> 
>> -       return cpu_rq(cpu)->load.weight;
>> +       return (unsigned long)cpu_rq(cpu)->cfs.runnable_load_avg;
> 
> Isn't this going to truncate on the 32-bit case?

I guess not, the old load.weight is unsigned long, and runnable_load_avg
is smaller than the load.weight. so it should be fine.

btw, according to above reason, guess move runnable_load_avg to
'unsigned long' type is ok, do you think so?
> 

-- 
Thanks
    Alex

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-05-06 15:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-06  1:45 [PATCH v5 0/7] use runnable load avg in load balance Alex Shi
2013-05-06  1:45 ` [PATCH v5 1/7] Revert "sched: Introduce temporary FAIR_GROUP_SCHED dependency for load-tracking" Alex Shi
2013-05-06  8:24   ` Paul Turner
2013-05-06  8:49     ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06  8:55       ` Paul Turner
2013-05-06  8:58         ` Alex Shi
2013-05-07  5:05         ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06  1:45 ` [PATCH v5 2/7] sched: remove SMP cover for runnable variables in cfs_rq Alex Shi
2013-05-06  4:11   ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-05-06  7:18     ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06  8:01   ` Paul Turner
2013-05-06  8:57     ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06  9:08       ` Paul Turner
2013-05-06 10:47         ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-05-06 15:02         ` Alex Shi
2013-05-07  5:07         ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06  1:45 ` [PATCH v5 3/7] sched: set initial value of runnable avg for new forked task Alex Shi
2013-05-06  8:19   ` Paul Turner
2013-05-06  9:21     ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06 10:17       ` Paul Turner
2013-05-07  2:18         ` Alex Shi
2013-05-07  3:06           ` Paul Turner
2013-05-07  3:24             ` Alex Shi
2013-05-07  5:03               ` Alex Shi
2013-05-09  8:31                 ` Alex Shi
2013-05-09  9:30                   ` Paul Turner
2013-05-09 14:23                     ` Alex Shi
2013-05-08 11:15               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-09  9:34               ` Paul Turner
2013-05-07  9:57             ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-05-07 11:05               ` Alex Shi
2013-05-07 11:20                 ` Paul Turner
2013-05-08 11:34                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-08 12:00                     ` Paul Turner
2013-05-09 10:55                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-05-09  8:22                     ` Alex Shi
2013-05-09  9:24                       ` Paul Turner
2013-05-09 13:13                         ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06 10:22       ` Paul Turner
2013-05-06 15:26         ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06 15:28           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-07  2:19   ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06  1:45 ` [PATCH v5 4/7] sched: update cpu load after task_tick Alex Shi
2013-05-06  1:45 ` [PATCH v5 5/7] sched: compute runnable load avg in cpu_load and cpu_avg_load_per_task Alex Shi
2013-05-06  8:46   ` Paul Turner
2013-05-06 10:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-06 10:33       ` Paul Turner
2013-05-06 11:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-07  6:17           ` Alex Shi
2013-06-04  1:45             ` Alex Shi
2013-06-04  1:51               ` [DISCUSSION] removing variety rq->cpu_load ? Alex Shi
2013-06-04  2:33                 ` Michael Wang
2013-06-04  2:44                   ` Alex Shi
2013-06-04  3:09                     ` Michael Wang
2013-06-04  4:55                       ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06 15:00     ` Alex Shi [this message]
2013-05-06 18:34       ` [PATCH v5 5/7] sched: compute runnable load avg in cpu_load and cpu_avg_load_per_task Paul Turner
2013-05-07  0:24         ` Alex Shi
2013-05-07  5:12         ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06  1:45 ` [PATCH v5 6/7] sched: consider runnable load average in move_tasks Alex Shi
2013-05-06  8:53   ` Paul Turner
2013-05-06 15:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-06 20:59       ` Paul Turner
2013-05-07  5:17         ` Alex Shi
2013-05-08  1:39           ` Alex Shi
2013-05-09  1:24             ` Alex Shi
2013-05-10 13:58               ` Alex Shi
2013-05-09  5:29             ` Alex Shi
2013-05-10 14:03               ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06 15:07     ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06  1:45 ` [PATCH v5 7/7] sched: consider runnable load average in effective_load Alex Shi
2013-05-06  3:34   ` Michael Wang
2013-05-06  5:39     ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06  6:11       ` Michael Wang
2013-05-06  9:39         ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06  7:49       ` Michael Wang
2013-05-06  8:02         ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06  8:34           ` Michael Wang
2013-05-06  9:06             ` Paul Turner
2013-05-06  9:35               ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06  9:59                 ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-05-07  2:43                   ` Michael Wang
2013-05-07  5:43                   ` Alex Shi
2013-05-08  1:33                     ` Alex Shi
2013-05-06 10:00                 ` Paul Turner
2013-05-06  7:10     ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-05-06  7:20       ` Michael Wang

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