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From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: Baruch Even <baruch@ev-en.org>
Cc: emilne@redhat.com,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	michaelc <michaelc@cs.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] scsi: Allow error handling timeout to be specified
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 22:18:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <518D55FA.4080302@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC9+anK-E2pok_eU2EdZxgaBY7-68rbj19C7G4w5rhTmZB7vzw@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/10/2013 07:51 PM, Baruch Even wrote:
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Ewan Milne <emilne@redhat.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 16:22 +0300, Baruch Even wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Ewan Milne <emilne@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 23:11 -0400, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
>>>>> Introduce eh_timeout which can be used for error handling purposes. This
>>>>> was previously hardcoded to 10 seconds in the SCSI error handling
>>>>> code. However, for some fast-fail scenarios it is necessary to be able
>>>>> to tune this as it can take several iterations (bus device, target, bus,
>>>>> controller) before we give up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Martin K. Petersen <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for posting this.  It will be very helpful to have this
>>>> capability, particularly when alternate paths to the device exist.
>>>>
>>>> Acked-by: Ewan D. Milne <emilne@redhat.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would argue that waiting for the eh to timeout before you switch to
>>> another path is most likely to be wrong. If you did the first pass of
>>> error recovery (task abort) and that failed the
>>> path/hba/logical-device is doomed. If you will switch to another path
>>> it will either work (meaning the path/hba were bad) or not (logical
>>> device was the culprit).
>>
>> It is necessary to either know the disposition of a command or
>> else wait for a defined amount of time before retrying the command on
>> another path.  Otherwise you run the risk that the command will
>> eventually complete on the first path.  So yes, we need to do the abort
>> (and its timeout).
>>
>>>
>>> Actually reducing the timeouts is probably not a good approach since
>>> it will cause the host to take a more radical approach without waiting
>>> sufficiently for a potential recovery. In addition the more radical
>>> error handlings such as host reset will destroy other paths for
>>> completely unrelated devices/links, from my experience a host reset is
>>> usually not required and the Linux kernel currently reaches to this
>>> big hammer too fast.
>>
>> I believe that Hannes is working on a better error handling algorithm
>> that e.g. does not cause an emulated bus reset in an FC environment
>> by resetting all the targets (and affecting I/O to unrelated targets in
>> the process).
>
> The error handling I have in mind (admittedly, not fully thought out)
> should work for both FC and SAS. Currently the error recovery
> progresses at the host level regardless of if the errors are on one
> device or all of them, it also stops the IOs on all devices and LUNs.
> It would be nice if that was taken into account. My ideas may be more
> suitable to the environment I work in (enterprise storage devices
> rather than hosts) but I believe the same approach would benefit the
> hosts as well.
>
> It would be interesting to see what approach the new error handling will take.
>
So, my general idea is this:

1) Send command aborts from scsi_times_out(). There is no requirement
    on stopping I/O on the host simply because a single command times
    out. And as scsi_times_out() is run from a separate thread anyway
    we should be able to send ABORT TASK TMFs without a problem
2) Modify recovery sequence.
    One of the major pitfalls of the current scsi_eh is that it
    spills over onto unrelated LUNs for higher levels. So for the
    new EH we should be using a sequence of
    - ABORT TASK
    - ABORT TASK SET
    - (Terminate I_T nexus)
    - (Host reset)
    'Terminate I_T nexus' for FibreChannel is equivalent to a LOGO.
    'Host reset' is the current host reset function.
3) Finegrained recovery setting.
    There is no need to stop the entire host when doing a recovery;
    it should be sufficient to stop I/O to the unit
    (LUN, I_T nexus, host) when the error recovery is at the
    respective level.

As usual, comments are welcome.

Cheers,

Hannes


  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-10 19:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-10  3:11 [PATCH] scsi: Allow error handling timeout to be specified Martin K. Petersen
2013-05-10  6:23 ` Bart Van Assche
2013-05-10 14:36   ` Martin K. Petersen
2013-05-10 12:43 ` Ewan Milne
2013-05-10 12:55   ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-05-10 13:09   ` Bryn M. Reeves
2013-05-10 13:22   ` Baruch Even
2013-05-10 14:01     ` Ewan Milne
2013-05-10 14:24       ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-05-10 14:31         ` Bryn M. Reeves
2013-05-10 16:59         ` Ewan Milne
2013-05-13 15:16           ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2013-05-10 17:51       ` Baruch Even
2013-05-10 20:18         ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2013-05-10 19:27           ` Baruch Even
2013-05-13  5:46             ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-05-13 14:40               ` Jeremy Linton
2013-05-13 15:03                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-05-13 15:58                   ` Jeremy Linton
2013-05-13 16:50                     ` Baruch Even
2013-05-13 20:29                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2013-05-13 21:01                       ` Jeremy Linton
2013-05-14 22:21                         ` Martin K. Petersen
     [not found]   ` <CAC9+anJ9Y-SnCOK6EOCavTNJwx=xhAbL_X__MsEsL7DroawaJg@mail.gmail.com>
2013-05-10 14:53     ` Martin K. Petersen
2013-05-10 15:27       ` Martin K. Petersen
2013-05-10 17:55       ` Baruch Even

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