From: David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>
To: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
Cc: <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] x86/xen: sync the wallclock when the system time changes
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 10:49:44 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <51A87238.8090402@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51A7EF3A.6060705@linaro.org>
On 31/05/13 01:30, John Stultz wrote:
> On 05/30/2013 07:25 AM, David Vrabel wrote:
>> From: David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>
>>
>> Currently the Xen wallclock is only updated every 11 minutes if NTP is
>> synchronized to its clock source. If a guest is started before NTP is
>> synchronized it may see an incorrect wallclock time.
>
> Ok.. So this is maybe starting to make a little more sense.
>
> I was under the mistaken impression domN guests referenced dom0's system
> time when they called xen_get_wallclock(), but looking at this a bit
> closer, its starting to make a bit more sense that xen_get_wallclock()
> is just shared hypervisor data that is updated by dom0, and guests can
> access this data without interacting with dom0.
>
> Thus I can finally see the 11 minute update interval for dom0 to update
> the hypervisor wallclock data causes guests to get invalid time values
> when they initialize, reading the unset by dom0 hypervisor wallclock
> data. And thus I finally see the need for dom0 to more frequently update
> the hypervisor wallclock data.
This is correct. I'll add an explanatory paragraph about the Xen
wallclock to the changelog.
>> Use the pvclock_gtod notifier chain to receive a notification when the
>> system time has changed and update the wallclock to match.
>>
>> This chain is called on every timer tick and we want to avoid an extra
>> (expensive) hypercall on every tick. Because dom0 has historically
>> never provided a very accurate wallclock and guests do not expect one,
>> we can do this simply. The wallclock is only updated if the
>> difference between now and the last update is more than 0.5 s.
>
>
> So given (at least I think ) I get why this is needed, is there a reason
> you're using the notifier chain instead of a regular timer in dom0 to
> update the hypervisor's wallclock data?
Using the notifier allows step changes to be noticed immediately, using
just a timer would leave a window after any step change where the Xen
wallclock is wrong.
Ideally, I would like a notification of step changes and a long period
timer (to correct for drift). Can you think of a good way to do this?
>> --- a/arch/x86/xen/time.c
>> +++ b/arch/x86/xen/time.c
>> @@ -212,6 +213,48 @@ static int xen_set_wallclock(const struct
>> timespec *now)
>> return HYPERVISOR_dom0_op(&op);
>> }
>> +static int xen_pvclock_gtod_notify(struct notifier_block *nb,
>> unsigned long unused,
>> + void *priv)
>> +{
>> + static struct timespec last, next;
>> + struct timespec now;
>> + struct xen_platform_op op;
>> + int ret;
>> +
>> + /*
>> + * Set the Xen wallclock from Linux system time.
>> + *
>> + * dom0 hasn't historically maintained a very accurate
>> + * wallclock so guests don't expect it. We can therefore
>> + * reduce the number of expensive hypercalls by only updating
>> + * the wallclock every 0.5 s.
>
> This comment needs some improvement. It doesn't explain why Xen needs to
> set the virtual RTC so frequently, but then goes on to say it can be
> done every half second because guests don't really expect it anyway.
This would probably be better done as:
if abs(current_wallclock - current_kernel_time) > threshold)
update_wallclock();
i.e., we're correcting the wallclock if it is wrong.
>> + */
>> +
>> + now = __current_kernel_time();
>
> You don't seem to be holding the timekeeping lock here, so why are you
> calling the internal __ prefixed current_kernel_time() accessor?
The notifier chain is called from timekeeping_update() which is called
in a write_seqcount_begin/end(&timekeeper_seq) block.
>> +
>> + if (timespec_compare(&now, &last) > 0
>
> Not sure I understand why you're bothering with the last value? Aren't
> you just wanting to trigger when now is greater then next?
This is to handle step changes that go backwards.
> So again, apologies for some of the runaround in the discussion! Lets
> sort out the above minor issues and I'll be fine to queue this (given
> Xen maintainer acks) without grumbling.
No problem.
David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-05-31 9:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-05-30 14:25 [PATCHv3 0/2] xen: maintain an accurate persistent clock in more cases David Vrabel
2013-05-30 14:25 ` [PATCH 1/2] x86/xen: sync the wallclock when the system time changes David Vrabel
2013-05-31 0:30 ` John Stultz
2013-05-31 9:49 ` David Vrabel [this message]
2013-05-31 20:21 ` John Stultz
2013-05-31 20:21 ` John Stultz
2013-05-31 9:49 ` David Vrabel
2013-05-31 0:30 ` John Stultz
2013-05-30 14:25 ` David Vrabel
2013-05-30 14:25 ` [PATCH 2/2] x86/xen: sync the CMOS RTC as well as the Xen wallclock David Vrabel
2013-05-30 14:25 ` David Vrabel
2013-05-30 23:55 ` [PATCHv3 0/2] xen: maintain an accurate persistent clock in more cases John Stultz
2013-05-31 7:52 ` Jan Beulich
2013-05-31 7:52 ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2013-05-31 9:56 ` David Vrabel
2013-05-31 9:56 ` David Vrabel
2013-05-30 23:55 ` John Stultz
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