From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Charles McGarvey Subject: Re: [Administrivia] On ruby and contrib/ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 14:41:26 -0600 Organization: Sevenology Message-ID: <51B0F3F6.5040507@brokenzipper.com> References: <7vtxld30f2.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <7va9n52zjc.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2ITAALWNCIMTMVFLKCKDV" Cc: demerphq , Junio C Hamano , Git , Jeff King , Jonathan Nieder , Thomas Rast , =?UTF-8?B?UmVuw6kgU2NoYXJmZQ==?= , Michael Haggerty , Matthieu Moy , =?UTF-8?B?Tmd1eeG7hW4gVGjDoQ==?= =?UTF-8?B?aSBOZ+G7jWM=?= , Ramsay Jones , Erik Faye-Lund , Johannes Sixt , Johannes Schindelin To: Felipe Contreras X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu Jun 06 22:41:41 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ukh07-00074C-W8 for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:41:40 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752906Ab3FFUlf (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:41:35 -0400 Received: from romulus.brokenzipper.com ([71.19.157.142]:65374 "EHLO romulus.brokenzipper.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751989Ab3FFUle (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:41:34 -0400 Received: from vulcan.local (unknown [IPv6:2602:61:7edf:e300:0:ff:fe00:7701]) by romulus.brokenzipper.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D0852D66; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:41:28 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=brokenzipper.com; s=romulus; t=1370551289; bh=SWR7Up2NMuk98osZ7l9LOcWKUVhfnI3d4MQJqMvBOmE=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=Luxl4+6Vg4qdoRLx7n5bjpZs3TnG7QQ4i6YrvNINBOwaoZ/w2iP/lhfxmjgxFY3XJ tMwnJw8cKDEyG1euvW4L8L17Lxh9C57c8g4pG+iVA4hiQTLz9ZGZluEgQtxPyudsaT irZPyIABMGUcojQprxJOcUmfYDDS7ebrb21rzZ6c= Received: from [2602:61:7edf:e300:0:ff:fe00:7700] by vulcan.local with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ukh0M-0005Xk-Va; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 14:41:55 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130523 Thunderbird/17.0.6 In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6a1pre OpenPGP: url=https://www.brokenzipper.com/chaz.asc Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2ITAALWNCIMTMVFLKCKDV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/06/2013 01:46 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:26 AM, demerphq wrote: >> >> Good thing you are being objective and leaving out the Python 3.0 >> mess, the long legacy of backwards compatibility in the Perl >> community, the active community behind it, its extensive portability >> support, and fail to mention the lack of an equivalent to CPAN. We >> wouldn't want facts to get in the way of a personal bias would we? >=20 > None of that has anything to do with Perl's popularity. >=20 >> Just thought I'd push back on the FUD. People have been saying Perl is= >> going away for decades... >=20 > Perl has been going away for the last decade [1], and will continue to > go away. Perl is going away, and that an undeniable fact, and if you > are not interested in discussing on the basis of reality, I'm not > interested in discussing with you. >=20 > [1] http://www.tiobe.com/content/paperinfo/tpci/images/tpci_trends.png The linchpin of your argument is that Perl is dying. Let's assume that t= he TIOBE index is a reliable basis for making business decisions--it's not, = but let's pretend--the graph you linked to doesn't even seem to support your conclusion (or am I missing something?). It looks like Perl's popularity= has pretty much been constant for at least two years. It's apparently not increasing in popularity, but this isn't an electrocardiogram (i.e. flat-lining is not dead or even dying). The same graph shows that Ruby's= popularity also hasn't changed very much since 2007 after its initial sur= ge. Now, it's probably too off-topic to pick apart TIOBE's methodology here, = but suffice it to say that, like any trend indicator, it's only as useful as = your knowledge of its limitations, and this has been discussed enough elsewher= e. It's true that Perl isn't soon going to win any trendiness awards, but th= e same reasons that made Perl a good choice for git so many years ago are s= till there and then some. You would probably also be surprised at the number = of new kids learning Perl. I guess I just denied the "undeniable fact" that Perl is going away, so m= aybe I'm one of those with whom you do not want to discuss this, but, for my p= art, I am willing to consider other evidence for the claim. As I pointed out,= the evidence shown so far (one reference to the TIOBE index) isn't nearly eno= ugh to settle the matter. I also apologize for dragging this out if this thr= ead is judged to not be worth a whole lot. --=20 Charles McGarvey ------enig2ITAALWNCIMTMVFLKCKDV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlGw8/YACgkQNi05PrCndfsXugCcCyE/gDNKQeqKL44YVJpDhkqg 9toAnip76yzXWRsLCzVy5LYW1OLnL9KT =8v4m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2ITAALWNCIMTMVFLKCKDV--